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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #45 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:15am

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:04am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/03/01/february_2016_s_shocking_glob...

Oh dear. Slate?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

Renewables are already cheaper than coal.

How many renewables have gone broke worldwide? Solyndra is one.

Thats a crappy metric to use. Plenty of fossil fuel companies have gone broke too. You know what a better metric to use when comparing the costs of various different energy sources is? The actual cost of the energy from various difference sources.

According to Bloomberg, renewables reached parity with fossil fuels 3 years ago.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/solar-wind-reach-a-big-renewables-turning-point-bnef
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-australia-62268

And last year wind power unsubsidised became cheaper than subsidised coal power in europe.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/solar-wind-reach-a-big-renewables-turning-point-bnef

So yes, renewables are cheaper.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #46 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:19am lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:04am: Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:13am: Renewables are already cheaper than coal. How many renewables have gone broke worldwide? Solyndra is one. How many coal mines are running at a loss?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #47 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:20am Lee always tries to quibble with the science. Best just to ignore.
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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #48 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:24am

donincognito wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

. You know what a better metric to use when comparing the costs of various different energy sources is? The actual cost of the energy from various difference sources.

According to Bloomberg, renewables reached parity with fossil fuels 3 years ago.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/solar-wind-reach-a-big-renewables-turning-point-bnef

Blloomberg ? 6 Oct 2016?

'Constantly increasing solar and wind installations -- Germany now has about 45 percent of Europe's total wind generation -- were the main reason for that.

That growth was fueled by massive subsidies. Last year, German households paid 23 billion euros ($24.3 billion), about 572 euros per family, in feed-in tariffs, or surcharges on energy bills that guarantee "clean power" producers can cover their costs.'

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-30/wind-and-solar-are-gaining-grou...

I guess it depends on who writes the story.

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #49 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:27am Its a new religion and this ... Has been replaced by this ...
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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #50 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

So you think we should all be forced to accept this point of view and that any talk regarding it is pointless and should be quashed?

Science
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the final word. It is flexible and changeable as new evidence becomes available, and as new technology is brought into Question at hand.

and only a halfwit would think otherwise...

especially when governments are using scientists grants to get them to say what they want to trying to extract taxes our of its people with a massive "Scare" campaign...

mind you.. only a nincompoop couldn't see whats really happening..

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #51 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:35am [quote author=innocentbystander. link=1457432712/49#49 date=1457486831]Its a new religion and this ... Has been replaced by this ... Only a retard would label an evidence based believe a religion .
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #52 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:41am Its time wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:35am: Only a retard would label an evidence based believe a religion . Shut up and pray to the great windmill god ... ya loser
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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #53 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:45am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

So you think we should all be forced to accept this point of view and that any talk regarding it is pointless and should be quashed?

Science
isn’t
the final word. It is flexible and changeable as new evidence becomes available, and as new technology is brought into Question at hand.

and only a halfwit would think otherwise...

especially when governments are using scientists grants to get them to say what they want to trying to extract taxes our of its people with a massive "Scare" campaign...

mind you.. only a nincompoop couldn't see whats really happening..

Look at it from a business perspective. In particular, take a look at risk management.

Climate change is a risk that needs to be managed.

Any company that is not making a fair assessment of the risk of climate change and not taking appropriate action to hedge against that risk such as taking out insurance is exposing itself to future losses.

For example, what is the risk of severe weather events? How many times in a decade can we expect a severe cyclone to wipe out a particular farmer's banana crop? With climate change, this risk is increased. Even if the science suggests it will happen only once more per decade, that is a quantifiable risk.

Now you can accept the science or not. But if you want an idea of what others think of it, take a look at risk management, insurance, hedging. These are people who earn a living mitigating risk. And you can be sure that they have included climate change in their risk portfolios.

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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #54 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

So you think we should all be forced to accept this point of view and that any talk regarding it is pointless and should be quashed?

Science
isn’t
the final word. It is flexible and changeable as new evidence becomes available, and as new technology is brought into Question at hand.

and only a halfwit would think otherwise...

especially when governments are using scientists grants to get them to say what they want to trying to extract taxes our of its people with a massive "Scare" campaign...

mind you.. only a nincompoop couldn't see whats really happening..

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #55 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 1:25pm mariacostel wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:11am: Its time wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 9:54pm: What if it is a scam , and we make the world a better place, for nothing ? What if it is a scam and we bankrupt countries in the process? maria doesn't know what banrkrupt means
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #56 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 5:58pm
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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #57 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:01pm

Bam wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

So you think we should all be forced to accept this point of view and that any talk regarding it is pointless and should be quashed?

Science
isn’t
the final word. It is flexible and changeable as new evidence becomes available, and as new technology is brought into Question at hand.

and only a halfwit would think otherwise...

especially when governments are using scientists grants to get them to say what they want to trying to extract taxes our of its people with a massive "Scare" campaign...

mind you.. only a nincompoop couldn't see whats really happening..

Look at it from a business perspective. In particular, take a look at risk management.

Climate change is a risk that needs to be managed.

Any company that is not making a fair assessment of the risk of climate change and not taking appropriate action to hedge against that risk such as taking out insurance is exposing itself to future losses.

For example, what is the risk of severe weather events? How many times in a decade can we expect a severe cyclone to wipe out a particular farmer's banana crop? With climate change, this risk is increased. Even if the science suggests it will happen only once more per decade, that is a quantifiable risk.

Now you can accept the science or not. But if you want an idea of what others think of it, take a look at risk management, insurance, hedging. These are people who earn a living mitigating risk. And you can be sure that they have included climate change in their risk portfolios.

lets put it this way...

and you'll know this already about me if you've been listening..

I don’t give a **** if we agree or disagree about climate change...

but what I do believe in is that each individual has a responsibility to leave the earth CLEAN for the next generations...

individuals should have already installed water tanks and solar systems for electricity and water heating.. they should recycle and compost.. they should grow some of their own vegetables etc..

fossil fuels aren't going to last forever but greedy companies and governments are all wanting a quick buck now...

we should not load up future generations with National Debt either.. that's just more irresponsibilitys...

government policy could change a lot of this... like every new home built should have a solar system and water tank fitted... there are enough companies around now to keep them competitive all trying to undercut each other.. NO SUBSIDIES... subsidies only drives pricing up with the consumer being ripped off...

why haven't they done this already??

Greedy Electricity companies and governments addicted to fuel tax...

the halfwit Victorian government spent 25 Billion on a desal plant...

how many water tanks could have been installed into Victorian homes for $2000 .. ?? I put my 5000lt tank in for $1800...

12,500000 Water Tanks...

there's only 6 Million People in Victoria for christs sakes..

the government could also put out a tender for installing Solar Systems on behalf of New Home Buyers to get them the best price...

as an installer knowing that you had thousands of systems to install you could get Bulk Discounts of suppliers... and thousands of jobs would be created at little expense... just policy changes..

but it seems governments want to spruke "Climate Change" (let me tax you) but then keep living the dirty life that we always have done.. its BS Angry

the "Climate Change" catch cry, is just a Red Herring... we have taken our eye off whats important..

and that's keeping the Earth Clean for future generations..

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Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again
Reply #58 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:01pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:45am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 8^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

So you think we should all be forced to accept this point of view and that any talk regarding it is pointless and should be quashed?

Science
isn’t
the final word. It is flexible and changeable as new evidence becomes available, and as new technology is brought into Question at hand.

and only a halfwit would think otherwise...

especially when governments are using scientists grants to get them to say what they want to trying to extract taxes our of its people with a massive "Scare" campaign...

mind you.. only a nincompoop couldn't see whats really happening..

Look at it from a business perspective. In particular, take a look at risk management.

Climate change is a risk that needs to be managed.

Any company that is not making a fair assessment of the risk of climate change and not taking appropriate action to hedge against that risk such as taking out insurance is exposing itself to future losses.

For example, what is the risk of severe weather events? How many times in a decade can we expect a severe cyclone to wipe out a particular farmer's banana crop? With climate change, this risk is increased. Even if the science suggests it will happen only once more per decade, that is a quantifiable risk.

Now you can accept the science or not. But if you want an idea of what others think of it, take a look at risk management, insurance, hedging. These are people who earn a living mitigating risk. And you can be sure that they have included climate change in their risk portfolios.

lets put it this way...

and you'll know this already about me if you've been listening..

I don’t give a **** if we agree or disagree about climate change...

but what I do believe in is that each individual has a responsibility to leave the earth CLEAN for the next generations...

individuals should have already installed water tanks and solar systems for electricity and water heating.. they should recycle and compost.. they should grow some of their own vegetables etc..

fossil fuels aren't going to last forever but greedy companies and governments are all wanting a quick buck now...

we should not load up future generations with National Debt either.. that's just more irresponsibilitys...

government policy could change a lot of this... like every new home built should have a solar system and water tank fitted... there are enough companies around now to keep them competitive all trying to undercut each other.. NO SUBSIDIES... subsidies only drives pricing up with the consumer being ripped off...

why haven't they done this already??

Greedy Electricity companies and governments addicted to fuel tax...

the halfwit Victorian government spent 25 Billion on a desal plant...

how many water tanks could have been installed into Victorian homes for $2000 .. ?? I put my 5000lt tank in for $1800...

12,500000 Water Tanks...

there's only 6 Million People in Victoria for christs sakes..

the government could also put out a tender for installing Solar Systems on behalf of New Home Buyers to get them the best price...

as an installer knowing that you had thousands of systems to install you could get Bulk Discounts of suppliers... and thousands of jobs would be created at little expense... just policy changes..

but it seems governments want to spruke "Climate Change" (let me tax you) but then keep living the dirty life that we always have done.. its BS Angry

the "Climate Change" catch cry, is just a Red Herring... we have taken our eye off whats important..

and that's keeping the Earth Clean for future generations..

Half decent post, well done

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Jennifer Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 134 QLD Gender:	Re: Libs Denying Climate Change Science Again Reply #59 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 11:10pm The left just love rent seekers. It's because they don't pay any tax to prop them up but the rent seekers perpetuate their ideology, so that makes it AOK. Woe betide an industry that actually produces real jobs, income and adds to GDP instead of deducting from it.
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