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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #15 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:48am

cods wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

he would rather see someone with 1% get in than a lib... hes that manic......sad but true..

does it say anywhere where those who are elected simply because they belong to a party..

should remain with the party or get out?....

thats what I dislike about the senate......

once in they can do as they like...and change sides......WRONG.

and we are stuck with them.

people have to have the right to know if they are voting for a party or a person.....

I would say a few of our senators have been elected thanks to the party they once belonged too...

apart from Muir of course.. how we got him I will never know????.......

He got in on preferences deals. Best example yet of why preferences should be abolished.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #16 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

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Throw in phonies that gain Senate seats on false pretenses by resigning from the party they represented to be elected

Lambie
Lazarus
Madigan

If they resign from the party they should resign from the Senate.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #17 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

Well that is both silly and unsupportable. Plus, the entire purpose of representative democracy is allowing the voters t\o install senators, not loopholes in a system

I would think that although the system needs to be looked at people would be correct to be cynical about a move to rush through changes that will advantage the major party's in an election year.

Like it or not the current system has consistently produced good results and this move looks like it would weaken the role of the senate.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #18 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:52am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

Well that is both silly and unsupportable. Plus, the entire purpose of representative democracy is allowing the voters t\o install senators, not loopholes in a system

I would think that although the system needs to be looked at people would be correct to be cynical about a move to rush through changes that will advantage the major party's in an election year.

Like it or not the current system has consistently produced good results and this move looks like it would weaken the role of the senate.

It's not going to advantage the major parties. Even the Greens will probably stand to gain from this. It simply means that people will get who they vote for, instead of the fewer than 1,000 votes that Muir got getting someone elected. Surely you can see the stupidity in Muir's election on the back of preference deals!

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #19 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:54am Lambie, Lazarus & Madigan have all misled the electorate
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #20 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:57am

Swagman wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am:

If they resign from the party they should resign from the Senate.

I've always thought it would be better in the senate to vote for a party, who then chooses their senators. You would need some precautions to make sure that parties couldn't just shuffle members around at will though.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #21 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

And 100% correct.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #22 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:09pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:48am:

cods wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

he would rather see someone with 1% get in than a lib... hes that manic......sad but true..

does it say anywhere where those who are elected simply because they belong to a party..

should remain with the party or get out?....

thats what I dislike about the senate......

once in they can do as they like...and change sides......WRONG.

and we are stuck with them.

people have to have the right to know if they are voting for a party or a person.....

I would say a few of our senators have been elected thanks to the party they once belonged too...

apart from Muir of course.. how we got him I will never know????.......

He got in on preferences deals. Best example yet of why preferences should be abolished.

Preferences should not be abolished. What should be abolished is anything that allows political parties to control the flow of preferences, such as group voting tickets and HTV cards.

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #23 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:11pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:52am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 10:55am:

It was absolutely ridiculous that arsewipes like Muir could get into the Senate on less than half a percent of the primary vote and hold the government hostage. Lets hope these changes are passed.

It only means that some faceless party person will be elected on a half precent of the vote and be used to subvert the purpose of the senate.

I prefer what we have in preference to a blind rubber stamp with the same vote thanks.

At least what we currently have puts a person in place who can make a merit based decision.

Well that is both silly and unsupportable. Plus, the entire purpose of representative democracy is allowing the voters t\o install senators, not loopholes in a system

I would think that although the system needs to be looked at people would be correct to be cynical about a move to rush through changes that will advantage the major party's in an election year.

Like it or not the current system has consistently produced good results and this move looks like it would weaken the role of the senate.

It's not going to advantage the major parties. Even the Greens will probably stand to gain from this. It simply means that people will get who they vote for, instead of the fewer than 1,000 votes that Muir got getting someone elected. Surely you can see the stupidity in Muir's election on the back of preference deals!

Depending on exactly how it works the Greens could likely be significantly disadvantaged. Those green seats like Melbourne achieved on Liberal preferences would have never happened had the Liberal voters known who they had voted for ?

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #24 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:19pm The senate isnt the problem , the Libs are , hence the poll results , 50 /50 and plummeting for the political anhialation
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #25 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:29pm

Its time wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:19pm:

The senate isnt the problem , the Libs are , hence the poll results , 50 /50 and plummeting for the political anhialation

It's only one poll, best not get too carried away at this stage. It has a MoE of 3% and other recent polls have been in the 52-48 range.

I would wait for more polls before passing judgement.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #26 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:10pm Abolish compulsory voting
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Government to change Senate voting laws Reply #27 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:16pm These new changes means all prior elections are null and void ... changing a voting system any time they feel like it means it's all rigged to advantage those doing the changing (rigging)
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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #28 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:54pm

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

And 100% correct.

.....and 100% in fantasy land as usual Cheesy

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Re: Government to change Senate voting laws
Reply #29 - Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 2:06pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 1:54pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:33am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:31am:

Kat wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2016 at 11:20am:

What part of 'NO government should EVER be permitted to control both Houses' don't these right-wing fektards understand???

oh for crying out loud...

the political retard strikes again... Roll Eyes

Kat's reliable, gotta give her that!

And 100% correct.

.....and 100% in fantasy land as usual Cheesy

Insults don't make me any less correct, either.

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