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Reply #30 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:26pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:22am:

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

01/14: 6.0
02/14: 5.9
03/14: 5.9
04/14: 5.8
05/14: 5.9
06/14: 6.1
07/14: 6.2
08/14: 6.1
09/14: 6.2
10/14: 6.3
11/14: 6.3
12/14: 6.1
01/15: 6.4 (highest since 2002)
02/15: 6.2
03/15: 6.1
04/15: 6.2
05/15: 5.9
06/15: 6.0
07/15: 6.3
08/15: 6.2
09/15: 6.2
10/15: 5.9
11/15: 5.8
12/15: 5.8
01/16: 6.0

Unemployment is trending down slowly from the 6.4% peak but it is still higher than at any time during Labor's six years in office. The economy is still sluggish with below-trend growth. At this rate we're not going to see unemployment below 5.0% for 3 years or more.

Conveniently ignoring that Labor increased the unemployment rates by 50% during a mining boom.

The reality is that the GFC easily swallowed the mining boom.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37457 Gender:	Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up Reply #31 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:30pm Gee, all those people who were having a bit of a break over christmas and new year suddenly start looking for a job and so there are more job-seekers. earth shattering news
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Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up
Reply #32 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:04pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:22am:

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

01/14: 6.0
02/14: 5.9
03/14: 5.9
04/14: 5.8
05/14: 5.9
06/14: 6.1
07/14: 6.2
08/14: 6.1
09/14: 6.2
10/14: 6.3
11/14: 6.3
12/14: 6.1
01/15: 6.4 (highest since 2002)
02/15: 6.2
03/15: 6.1
04/15: 6.2
05/15: 5.9
06/15: 6.0
07/15: 6.3
08/15: 6.2
09/15: 6.2
10/15: 5.9
11/15: 5.8
12/15: 5.8
01/16: 6.0

Unemployment is trending down slowly from the 6.4% peak but it is still higher than at any time during Labor's six years in office. The economy is still sluggish with below-trend growth. At this rate we're not going to see unemployment below 5.0% for 3 years or more.

Conveniently ignoring that Labor increased the unemployment rates by 50% during a mining boom.

Mining doesn't actually employ a lot of people. The capital to labour ratio is really rather high. More so during the investment phase before anything is produced.

Exactly. What is the figure for the mining industry, 1% of the workforce?

So if the mining industry is so irrelevant and minor then how come the end of the boom is causing so much difficulty?

It never occurred to you that a booming mining industry does not increase employment significantly in a whole host of other sectors?

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

The most succinct rebuttal is beating someone over the head with their own words.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up Reply #33 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:05pm aquascoot wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:30pm: Gee, all those people who were having a bit of a break over christmas and new year suddenly start looking for a job and so there are more job-seekers. earth shattering news Find out what "seasonally adjusted" means, then post again.
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Reply #34 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 2:55pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:22am:

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

01/14: 6.0
02/14: 5.9
03/14: 5.9
04/14: 5.8
05/14: 5.9
06/14: 6.1
07/14: 6.2
08/14: 6.1
09/14: 6.2
10/14: 6.3
11/14: 6.3
12/14: 6.1
01/15: 6.4 (highest since 2002)
02/15: 6.2
03/15: 6.1
04/15: 6.2
05/15: 5.9
06/15: 6.0
07/15: 6.3
08/15: 6.2
09/15: 6.2
10/15: 5.9
11/15: 5.8
12/15: 5.8
01/16: 6.0

Unemployment is trending down slowly from the 6.4% peak but it is still higher than at any time during Labor's six years in office. The economy is still sluggish with below-trend growth. At this rate we're not going to see unemployment below 5.0% for 3 years or more.

Conveniently ignoring that Labor increased the unemployment rates by 50% during a mining boom.

Mining doesn't actually employ a lot of people. The capital to labour ratio is really rather high. More so during the investment phase before anything is produced.

Exactly. What is the figure for the mining industry, 1% of the workforce?

So if the mining industry is so irrelevant and minor then how come the end of the boom is causing so much difficulty?

It never occurred to you that a booming mining industry does not increase employment significantly in a whole host of other sectors?

You've got the cart before the horse Maria. The so called boom is busted because of a struggling world economy and the consequent fall in commodity prices, not the other way around.

You might want to re-read my comment and then try again and make a response related to what I actually said.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up Reply #35 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:08pm Be a thriving economy if the Libs made the transition from fossils to clean energy , Labor gave the Libs 4.5billion worth of projects on a silver platter and they still feeerked it up
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Reply #36 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:17pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Its time wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Missing , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

When you have spent 5 months crowing about the Liberals bringing down the unemployment rate you have no place to hide when the numbers go the other way.

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Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up
Reply #37 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Its time wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Missing , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

When you have spent 5 months crowing about the Liberals bringing down the unemployment rate you have no place to hide when the numbers go the other way.

Not hiding at all. The rate has come down over the last 12 months and this is a bump in the road. If you look at stats like this on a graph you will see they are almost never straight lines in any direction.

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Reply #38 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:03pm

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Its time wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Missing , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

When you have spent 5 months crowing about the Liberals bringing down the unemployment rate you have no place to hide when the numbers go the other way.

Not hiding at all. The rate has come down over the last 12 months and this is a bump in the road. If you look at stats like this on a graph you will see they are almost never straight lines in any direction.

Bit early to be making excuses, may take a few months to tell.

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Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up
Reply #40 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 5:33am

Kat wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Should make the Right happy.

All those new bludgers for them to denigrate and persecute... Angry

I'm not sure there's anything "new" in these numbers at all. Unemployment figures are a statistical sample that in this case has produced a higher result. The figures for the previous couple of months were admitted by many to be unrealistic, including the ABS. What we may be seeing here is a set of numbers that are closer to the true value in accordance with the methodology. No actual rise, just a new sample.

The actual unemployment rate being about 10% is a different topic, of course.

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Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up
Reply #41 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Its time wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Missing , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

When you have spent 5 months crowing about the Liberals bringing down the unemployment rate you have no place to hide when the numbers go the other way.

Not hiding at all. The rate has come down over the last 12 months and this is a bump in the road. If you look at stats like this on a graph you will see they are almost never straight lines in any direction.

Bit early to be making excuses, may take a few months to tell.

Which is exactly what I said.

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Reply #42 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:56am

Different story when the numbers appear to go down.... then it's choruses of angels from the rooftops trumpeting the virtues and value of a Right wing government that so far has failed in every meaningful way, and most particularly in genuine job retention.

Now if the numbers appear to go up under a Left government.... all of Hell is about to rise.....

No wonder nobody wants this government, but has no genuine expectations from their current Opposition...

Poor Fellows.. My Voters....

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Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up
Reply #43 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:59am

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Its time wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Missing , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

When you have spent 5 months crowing about the Liberals bringing down the unemployment rate you have no place to hide when the numbers go the other way.

Not hiding at all. The rate has come down over the last 12 months and this is a bump in the road. If you look at stats like this on a graph you will see they are almost never straight lines in any direction.

You are quite unbelievable... EVERY poll in the last twelve months bar one has shown either a rise in unemployment or 'steady' unemployment - this despite almost daily stories of layoffs indicating that the whole thing is one big lie... ..yet to you one poll that shows an upward movement after one that showed a slight decline is the rogue one...

Amazing.. simply amazing....

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Re: The Unemployment Numbers Climb Up
Reply #44 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 5:27pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

Its time wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

Missing , Libs mining boom , last seen with budget emergency

you mean the GLOBAL mining boom, right?

When you have spent 5 months crowing about the Liberals bringing down the unemployment rate you have no place to hide when the numbers go the other way.

Not hiding at all. The rate has come down over the last 12 months and this is a bump in the road. If you look at stats like this on a graph you will see they are almost never straight lines in any direction.

You are quite unbelievable... EVERY poll in the last twelve months bar one has shown either a rise in unemployment or 'steady' unemployment - this despite almost daily stories of layoffs indicating that the whole thing is one big lie... ..yet to you one poll that shows an upward movement after one that showed a slight decline is the rogue one...

Amazing.. simply amazing....

I think the ABS would choose to disagree with you since the unemployment rate has DROPPED from 6.4% down to 5.8% last year. And to further underline the idiocy of your post, I have not derided or rejected the current figure. It seems more than reasonable.

Now why dont you go back to writing your garbage fiction 'books'. Do you know how to write dialogue yet?

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