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Australia axes science, opts for luck and voodoo
Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:25pm
 
The lucky country no longer believes in science and now will resort to luck and voodoo chicken sacrifice to devise strategies on climate.

Goodbye scientists. Goodbye climate monitoring technology. Welcome voodoo chicken sacrificers.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/australia-cuts-110-climate-scientist-j...

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With an ax rather than a scalpel, Australia’s federal science agency last week chopped off its climate research arm in a decision that has stunned scientists and left employees dispirited.
As many as 110 out of 140 positions at the atmosphere and oceans division at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) will be cut, Larry Marshall, the agency’s chief executive, told staff Friday. Another 120 positions will be cut from the land and water program. Across the agency, 350 climate staff will be moved into new roles unrelated to their specialty.
Scientists say the cuts would affect Australia’s ability to cope with climate change. The nation is already the driest on Earth and experiencing significant shifts in rainfall. It would leave the global research community disabled, since CSIRO ran the Southern Hemisphere’s most comprehensive Earth monitoring and modeling programs. And it would leave young climate scientists at CSIRO without direction.
“I’m saddened for climate science itself, for services to Australia, and particularly for the younger scientists who are just starting to make their mark in this important area,” said John Church, an oceanographer at CSIRO and a world-renowned expert on sea-level rise.
Another CSIRO scientist termed the situation “depressing.” Most CSIRO scientists requested anonymity, since employees cannot discuss government policies under the terms of their contracts.
“The situation is very bad here,” the scientist said. “Eighty percent of our climate capability will be gone; it is clear that climate modeling will be cut completely.”
CSRIO is a federally funded research agency akin to NASA in the United States. Its climate change program is the largest in the nation and the most advanced in the Southern Hemisphere, a part of the world that is 80 percent ocean and is home to 12 percent of the world’s population. The bottom half of the planet has historically been understudied, a problem because gaps in monitoring the Southern Hemisphere mean gaps in understanding the global climate. CSIRO began filling in some gaps in the 1970s.
“This is not about just Australia,” another CSIRO scientist said. “Australia plays a very important role in measurements in the Southern Hemisphere.”
Fate of CO2 records unknown
In southwest Tasmania, at Cape Grim, CSIRO scientists have collected continuous readings of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere since the 1970s. The CO2 record, together with readings from Mauna Loa, Hawaii, and Barrow, Alaska, are a confirmation of humanity’s dominion over the climate. It is unclear if these measurements will continue, Church of CSIRO said.
The only other detailed long-term CO2 record in the Southern Hemisphere is from the South Pole, said Ralph Keeling, an atmospheric scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, who oversees the Mauna Loa CO2 monitoring station.
“It is mind-boggling,” Keeling said. “The Cape Grim observatory is a premier site, which is sustaining some of the most important long-term records of climate that exist on the planet.”
Also in danger, Church said, are long-term observations of ocean, atmosphere and weather processes in the Southern Hemisphere. These are used to refine global climate models, which are algorithmic representations of the planet’s climate.
CSIRO’s scientists began building theirs in 1981 and have honed it to represent the Southern Hemisphere and Australia’s climate at particularly high resolution. There are two dozen other climate models, developed in the United States and Europe, but they have a Northern Hemisphere focus.
When scientists want to know if an extreme weather event, such as heat waves, would become more frequent in Australia with climate change, they query models. These project which parts of Australia would likely be affected in a warmer world. CSIRO’s climate modeling program will be cut.
“Australia is ground zero for climate change,” a CSIRO scientist said. “In order to adapt, you need climate models that are going to tell us what you need to adapt to, where you need to adapt, and by when you need to adapt.”
Settled science?
CSIRO’s climate programs have been in trouble since at least May 2014, when the then-conservative government cut the agency’s budget by $111 million. Almost 1,000 positions were eliminated, including in the climate departments.
Marshall, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, became CSIRO’s CEO in Jan. 2015 and immediately announced that CSIRO would focus on innovation over basic science. Marshall and CSIRO representatives did not respond to ClimateWire’s request for comment by deadline.
When Malcolm Turnbull became Australia’s prime minister in September last year, replacing a pro-energy predecessor, environmentalists rejoiced. But Turnbull’s government has also emphasized science that can be easily commercialized, according to media reports.
In December, CSIRO’s management audited the atmosphere and oceans program for its commercial potential.
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Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:31pm
 
'In the email to staff on Thursday, Marshall said that since climate change was proven to be real, CSIRO could shift its focus.

“Everybody is laughing at Marshall’s statement,” the scientist told Guardian Australia. “Who is he to declare that climate change is answered? The IPCC says so many problems are not answered yet. And unless you know how the climate is changing, how do you adapt to it?” '

'Haymet said the cuts are “a kick in the guts” to farmers, the fishing industry, the navy and people who live on the coast and is worried about sea level rise.

“We’ve only seen the beginning of climate change. We don’t know what the heck is waiting for us,” he said.'

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/05/senior-csiro-scientist-der...

The science is settled but we don't know what's gunna happen.
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Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:35pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:31pm:
'In the email to staff on Thursday, Marshall said that since climate change was proven to be real, CSIRO could shift its focus.

“Everybody is laughing at Marshall’s statement,” the scientist told Guardian Australia. “Who is he to declare that climate change is answered? The IPCC says so many problems are not answered yet. And unless you know how the climate is changing, how do you adapt to it?” '

'Haymet said the cuts are “a kick in the guts” to farmers, the fishing industry, the navy and people who live on the coast and is worried about sea level rise.

“We’ve only seen the beginning of climate change. We don’t know what the heck is waiting for us,” he said.'

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/05/senior-csiro-scientist-der...

The science is settled but we don't know what's gunna happen.


Its ok. The scientists will be replaced by boxes of live chickens.
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Reply #3 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:40pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:35pm:
Its ok. The scientists will be replaced by boxes of live chickens.



That's good. The remaining scientists can use chicken entrails. And get closer to the truth.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:25pm:
The lucky country no longer believes in science and now will resort to luck and voodoo chicken sacrifice to devise strategies on climate.



Of course we can rely on countries with much bigger budgets than ours to give us their version of what is happening.

Why do we need so many parallel investments in "the science"?
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Reply #4 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 4:14pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:40pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:35pm:
Its ok. The scientists will be replaced by boxes of live chickens.



That's good. The remaining scientists can use chicken entrails. And get closer to the truth.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 3:25pm:
The lucky country no longer believes in science and now will resort to luck and voodoo chicken sacrifice to devise strategies on climate.



Of course we can rely on countries with much bigger budgets than ours to give us their version of what is happening.

Why do we need so many parallel investments in "the science"?


The scientists can be retrained as humongous hole excavators to bolster Australia's competitive advantage in this activity. Strangle another chicken and pass the shovel Bruce.

or:

They can be retrained as Punkawallahs:

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