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Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF?
Reply #15 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

lee wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

If Australia was not fighting as a separate entity why were Australian troops not just amalgamated into USA troops under USA command?

Because we had already been subject to that, and would not do so again.

The ADF presence in Vietnam was tokenism and it's arguable they should not enter such conflicts without full integration with USA forces.

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Reply #16 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:14pm

teddybear wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

lee wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 3:19pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

If Australia was not fighting as a separate entity why were Australian troops not just amalgamated into USA troops under USA command?

Because we had already been subject to that, and would not do so again.

The ADF presence in Vietnam was tokenism and it's arguable they should not enter such conflicts without full integration with USA forces.

You don't know shyte stupid Grin

Teddy Bear knows shyte.

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Reply #17 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:16pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Forty+ years after withdrawal from Vietnam it is interesting to look back.

There is no doubt that ADF did not win and that ADF, if it had fought alone, could not have defeated Vietnam.

But, the war glorifiers ignore the fact that ADF were in fact defeated and left before the war intensified. If ADF had not left, the ADF losses would have been more severe when North Vietnam overran the country.

Whitlam's withdrawal from Vietnam brought the wrath of USA on him and USA later deposed Whitlam.

Arthur Calwell's 1965 speech predicted that South Vietnam would not be saved and USA would be humiliated.

What I can gather from this post is that your are either a very bad liar, or you are a cretin who failed high school history.

That bastard whitalm did not 'withdraw the troops', and anyone with access to wiki or google would know that the final battalion was sent and withdrawn by Gorton by 1970. Whitlam was voted in 1972 and released the gutless cowards from gaol which I believe was the pinnacle of his time in office.

A stupid post by a typical socialist. But about the standard to be expected

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Reply #18 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

That nice person whitalm did not 'withdraw the troops', and anyone with access to wiki or google would know that the final battalion was sent and withdrawn by Gorton by 1970.

Don't argue. I have been anointed by Gordy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia_during_the_Vietnam_W...

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The withdrawal of Australia's forces from South Vietnam began in November 1970 when 8 RAR completed its tour of duty and was not replaced. A phased withdrawal followed, and by 11 January 1973 Australian involvement in hostilities in Vietnam had ceased. Nevertheless, Australian troops from the Australian Embassy Platoon remained deployed in the country until 1 July 1973,[2] and Australian forces were deployed briefly in April 1975, during the Fall of Saigon, to evacuate personnel from the Australian embassy.

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Reply #19 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:39pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

That nice person whitalm did not 'withdraw the troops', and anyone with access to wiki or google would know that the final battalion was sent and withdrawn by Gorton by 1970.

Don't argue. I have been anointed by Gordy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia_during_the_Vietnam_W...

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The withdrawal of Australia's forces from South Vietnam began in November 1970 when 8 RAR completed its tour of duty and was not replaced. A phased withdrawal followed, and by 11 January 1973 Australian involvement in hostilities in Vietnam had ceased. Nevertheless, Australian troops from the Australian Embassy Platoon remained deployed in the country until 1 July 1973,[2] and Australian forces were deployed briefly in April 1975, during the Fall of Saigon, to evacuate personnel from the Australian embassy.

Listen I get that you are of limited intellect and you comprehensions skills are of that of a Labrador, but whitlam did not withdraw the troops, the withdrawal was under way long before he got into power. And if you know anything about deployment (which you do not) you would know it takes a while to move everything and everyone back.

Good to see that you ignored that fact that he redeployed Australian forces back into VN in '75, but you would need to, so you look less of a cretin.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11064 Australia Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF? Reply #20 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:39pm It was a tragedy for humanity. Just like the middle east is now. No sides win a war. The Vietnamese people are still under communism.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF?
Reply #21 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:18pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

This question is not honest. It is in line with Laugh's regular anti-Australian, and anti-white rhetoric. He knows perfectly well that Australian troops had no part in the decision making process of that war. The United States was defeated in Vietnam. The presence of the Australian Army had no effect on the outcome. It was a token of the alliance. To describe the out come as a defeat for the ADF, is to imply that they could have won the war. It is a meaningless and dishonest question in keeping with Laugh's spiteful agenda.

You denounce every question that challenges your beliefs as dishonest.

If Australia was not fighting as a separate entity why were Australian troops not just amalgamated into USA troops under USA command? Why did Australia maintain forces in particular regions of South Vietnam?

If ADF could not make a difference, why were they in the front lines instead of just supporting in the rear?

It seems ADF was just cannon fodder.

As they were in WW1.

Your agenda is as fundamentally dishonest as any speech made supporting the action of WW1, WW2, Korea or Vietnam.

Your racist agenda is as sickening as any perpetrated by those you berate.

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Reply #22 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Forty+ years after withdrawal from Vietnam it is interesting to look back.

There is no doubt that ADF did not win and that ADF, if it had fought alone, could not have defeated Vietnam.

But, the war glorifiers ignore the fact that ADF were in fact defeated and left before the war intensified. If ADF had not left, the ADF losses would have been more severe when North Vietnam overran the country.

Whitlam's withdrawal from Vietnam brought the wrath of USA on him and USA later deposed Whitlam.

Arthur Calwell's 1965 speech predicted that South Vietnam would not be saved and USA would be humiliated.

What I can gather from this post is that your are either a very bad liar, or you are a cretin who failed high school history.

That bastard whitalm did not 'withdraw the troops', and anyone with access to wiki or google would know that the final battalion was sent and withdrawn by Gorton by 1970. Whitlam was voted in 1972 and released the gutless cowards from gaol which I believe was the pinnacle of his time in office.

A stupid post by a typical socialist. But about the standard to be expected

And prior to that(1965) he had a hand in handing over West Papua to Indonesian control .....

and genocide of the native people by Indonesia has been occurring ever since.

You truly are a sickening lying two faced racist swine LTYC.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF? Reply #23 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:31pm Gnads wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:21pm: You truly are a sickening lying two faced racist swine LTYC. I surmise you are warming to me Gnads. Your bite is becoming somewhat gummy. Is that a gun in your pocket?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19922 Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF? Reply #25 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:39pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 4:14pm: Teddy Bear knows shyte. Is that true teddybear? Do you know Laugh till you cry?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32965 Gender:	Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF? Reply #26 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:41pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:31pm: Gnads wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:21pm: You truly are a sickening lying two faced racist swine LTYC. I surmise you are warming to me Gnads. Your bite is becoming somewhat gummy. Is that a gun in your pocket? Yeah like permafrost.
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Re: Was the Vietnam war a defeat for the ADF?
Reply #29 - Feb 8^th, 2016 at 12:09am

We used to play this when we were about 12:
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We used to crawl through the storm water pipes, they got thinner and thinner, we had our pocket knives and cap pistols. Someone from Perth could verify the "tunnels" exist. The entry is is still on google maps. Second cousin died stepping on a mine, uncle is agent oranged.

edit: 33 Shaw Rd Perth, Western Australia on google maps. Look across the road, into Birralee Oval..

Edit2: I also saw skylab re-enter whilst sitting on the round pine post railing that was around Birralee Oval. Very clear and open view, it was quite spectacular.

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