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Question: If NG is to be cut, what would you replace it with?
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NG on new properties only    
  1 (16.7%)
Limit NG for 7 years after purchase    
  0 (0.0%)
Abolish NG, tax offsets against future profits    
  1 (16.7%)
Abolish NG and replace it with nothing    
  1 (16.7%)
Limit it to one or two properties    
  3 (50.0%)
Something else? (Discuss)    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 6
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Negative Gearing Never Examined
Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:33am
 
What negative gearing? Value of controversial policy never examined by Treasury under Abbott

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    February 1, 2016
    Canberra Times



The Abbott government never asked Treasury to do any serious analysis of options to limit negative gearing during its time in power, despite increasing calls from economists and public policy institutes to do so.   Sad

And as debate rages over whether the Turnbull government will increase the GST, or instead curb top-end superannuation concessions and property tax breaks, Treasurer Scott Morrison will not say whether he has asked for any such analysis from Treasury either.   Sad

Public policy groups including the Grattan Institute, McKell Institute, and the Australian Council of Social Service, and prominent economists such as Saul Eslake, have called on the Abbott government to change the negative gearing and capital gains tax regime.


They have argued the regime arbitrarily inflates the price of homes, distorts the housing market in favour of older and wealthier Australians, and should be changed to reduce the pace of house price growth and make housing more affordable.   Sad

The McKell Institute has said if the regime was quarantined to new housing it would save the Commonwealth budget roughly $4 billion a year, and lead to a budget improvement of $41.7 billion cumulatively over 10 years.

But the Abbott government rejected calls for the negative gearing and capital gains tax regime to be changed, dismissing concerns about its impact on the budget and saying analysis showed it was encouraging new investment and boosting housing supply.

Former Treasurer Joe Hockey dismissed concerns about the tax regime by saying young people who wanted to buy their first home should "get a good job that pays good money".

But Treasury's head of revenue, Rob Heferen, has confirmed to Senate estimates that the Abbott government never asked Treasury to do any "substantive analysis" of options to limit negative gearing to specifically encourage new housing supply, including its impact on the budget.

"In the last two years, Treasury has not done any substantive analysis of options to direct or limit negative gearing to new residential housing," Mr Heferen said in an answer to a question on notice last week.

Labor senator Chris Ketter, who asked Mr Heferen the question in Senate estimates last October, says he is amazed by the lack of analysis.

"That to me is extraordinary when we've had a process under way of a significant review of the taxation system," Mr Ketter said.

"It would be extraordinary if that option were to emerge now without Treasury having done any substantive modelling in relation to it."

It is understood the Turnbull government is considering negative gearing seriously as an option for tax reform, but the Treasurer's office will not say if they have asked Treasury to investigate the policy option.

A spokesman for Mr Morrison says the government is "engaged in an open discussion on how our tax system can better back Australians to work, save and invest".

"This process continues. The government has not ruled anything in or out and to claim otherwise would be false," the spokesman said.

The Property Council has said negative gearing is a commonplace investment strategy "used by everyday Australians looking to get ahead."
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Reply #1 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:32am
 
Another lie from the Abbott Government....All tax options where apparently not on the table as many suspected....No doubt the rusted on will defend another lie from this Government!!!

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Reply #2 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:49am
 
All options that do maximum damage to the lower socio economic were on the table , as if this should come as any surprise, it is a Liberal government after all.
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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:57am
 
It needs to be curtailed, limited to 1 property and only for a maximum of 10 years per tax payer.

If you can't afford a property without it then you shouldn't buy one.
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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am
 
Its time wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:49am:
All options that do maximum damage to the lower socio economic were on the table , as if this should come as any surprise, it is a Liberal government after all.


Oh sigh. Listen here YOU!

1. Both LIBERAL AND LABOR politicians have lots to lose personally if any changes to negative gearing take place.

2. Did you not read the article? The process is STILL ONGOING. Ok?

The fact that it's progressing at 5 km/hr is another matter.
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Reply #5 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am
 
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.
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Reply #6 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?
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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:13am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?


See if you can debunk it
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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:14am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:59am:
Its time wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 8:49am:
All options that do maximum damage to the lower socio economic were on the table , as if this should come as any surprise, it is a Liberal government after all.


Oh sigh. Listen here YOU!

1. Both LIBERAL AND LABOR politicians have lots to lose personally if any changes to negative gearing take place.

2. Did you not read the article? The process is STILL ONGOING. Ok?

The fact that it's progressing at 5 km/hr is another matter.


It seems it is stagnant and won't be moving anywhere fast or slow .
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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:19am
 
libs aren't interested in alternatives, they are only interested in raising the GST. everything else is just words they speak to pretend to be fair.
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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:31am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?


Without the allowable deductions via negative gearing the costs incurred would simply be subtracted from the capital gain when the property is eventually sold. Net change to government revenue is precisely zero. The only thing that alters is the date which it is paid. Policy makers understand something that the Neanderthals around here apparently don't.
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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:40am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?



Apparently, or why would he say so:  it sounds correct as well ?
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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:42am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:40am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?



Apparently, or why would he say so:  it sounds correct as well ?


Well, the fact is, we get NO GOVT assistance to BUY negatively geared properties.
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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:44am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:42am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:40am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?



Apparently, or why would he say so:  it sounds correct as well ?


Well, the fact is, we get NO GOVT assistance to BUY negatively geared properties.


you do understand how negative gearing works right?
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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:47am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:44am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:42am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:40am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:06am:
Bam wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:03am:
It is ridiculous that people get more government assistance to buy investment properties than they get to buy homes to live in.


Is that what you think?



Apparently, or why would he say so:  it sounds correct as well ?


Well, the fact is, we get NO GOVT assistance to BUY negatively geared properties.


you do understand how negative gearing works right?


Unlike you I do.

And unlike you, I have a few properties which are negatively geared.

Now could you tell us again how auctioneers are not allowed to know the reserve price in an auction?

We could do with another laugh around here. Shocked

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