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Reply #15 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:35pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:22pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.


Well they are consistent. It's just that it's in the area of being inconsistent.

yes, the terrorist sympathising greens are definitely consistently inconsistent in their views.  It's a tragedy they are trying to claim to be a left leaning party.
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Reply #16 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:39pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:35pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:22pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.


Well they are consistent. It's just that it's in the area of being inconsistent.

yes, the terrorist sympathising greens are definitely consistently inconsistent in their views.  It's a tragedy they are trying to claim to be a left leaning party.


Very terrifying indeed!
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Reply #17 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:35am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.



If you don't swear on an religious oath, will you forget what you believe in?
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Reply #18 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:56am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.


Removal of religious privilege is not the same as removing peoples rights.  Why should the Christian God and Allah be singled out to the exclusion of all else?
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Reply #19 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:10am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:47pm:
An Oath never stopped anyone from lying in Courts when self interest is at stake.  The Cops always went first when they swore "to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

That was always the first lie in any Trial.



Ain't that the truth.... my uncle, upon his death, was lauded at his funeral by the Commissioner as 'The Honest Copper' - which speaks volumes for the rest, as my brother said.  Indeed my uncle was an honest copper who had more interest in welfare and well-being of people than in fitting them up.  He was known in country towns for putting homeless young men up for a few days, giving them work mowing lawns and such, and then paying them with a few bob so they could have something to eat and would not get into trouble through having to steal of anything.  He was also noted for going round the pubs and sending people home to their kids, who were often left at home alone while the parents drank, and for standing up for accused people in court when they deserved it, and for never giving preferential treatment to the 'rich man's son'.

He is still remembered in country towns in NSW such as Tumut and Braidwood .. fondly.
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Reply #20 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:53am
 
____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:35am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.



If you don't swear on an religious oath, will you forget what you believe in?

If you stop wearing a burqa will you forget what you believe in (mind you what stupid greens fail to even recognise in their pc garbage is the burqa isnt even religious, but besides the point)
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Reply #21 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:56am
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:56am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.


Removal of religious privilege is not the same as removing peoples rights.  Why should the Christian God and Allah be singled out to the exclusion of all else? 

Thats the same argument as suggesting anyone with more access to spread their free speech should be banned from using certain media,  but it's not the same as excluding all others.

You want to stop singling out main stream religion then enlarge the scope, dont ban it.
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Reply #22 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:01am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:53am:
____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:35am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.



If you don't swear on an religious oath, will you forget what you believe in?

If you stop wearing a burqa will you forget what you believe in (mind you what stupid greens fail to even recognise in their pc garbage is the burqa isnt even religious, but besides the point)



For the sake of rational debate, could you please try and post on topic.
If you want to debate some unrelated subject, then start a thread on it.

In the last few days, you have continually trolled threads. From this post on, your off topic claims and posts will be ignored.
My silence on your off topic rants are not agreement, they are aimed at lifting standards.

Line in the sand drawn.
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Reply #23 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:03am
 
____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:01am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 9:53am:
____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:35am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:14pm:
greens aren't consistent. On one hand apparently wearing a burqa is a religious belief and must be upheld. But now you're supporting removing religious rights?  BE CONSISTENT.



If you don't swear on an religious oath, will you forget what you believe in?

If you stop wearing a burqa will you forget what you believe in (mind you what stupid greens fail to even recognise in their pc garbage is the burqa isnt even religious, but besides the point)



For the sake of rational debate, could you please try and post on topic.
If you want to debate some unrelated subject, then start a thread on it.

In the last few days, you have continually trolled threads. From this post on, your off topic claims and posts will be ignored.
My silence on your off topic rants are not agreement, they are aimed at lifting standards.

Line in the sand drawn.


Draw whatever doodles you want in the sand.  The fact remains that you should remain consistent : either you value religious sanctity or you dont.  You cant argue against one but then get all green faced over another, especially when the other isnt even part of religious sanctity, although your misguided pc land tells you it is.
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Reply #24 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:09am
 
Apples, oranges.

People trying to control what a women chooses to wear is not on topic.


A religious statement has no place in a secular courtroom.
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Reply #25 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:11am
 
____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:09am:
Apples, oranges.

People trying to control what a women chooses to wear is not on topic.



It is when your argument is its a religious outfit and should be respected on those grounds.

I wont even go into the "choice" these women have, thats obviously beyond you.
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Reply #26 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:14am
 
Trying to put words in my mouth ... still makes it off topic.

No more discussion on your red herring in this thread.
Like to discuss it further, then start another thread.
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Reply #27 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:15am
 
The fact is we either have the freedom to express our religion or we dont.  But no government should be allowed to try and pass laws in between.  The oath should ultimately be taken on anything a person holds sacred, be that on a bible or a peice of carrot.  The value is in the persons belief they are taking a sacred oath, not actually the words.

If you ask me, id do away with freedom of religion and wed have a completely different ball park.  But while our constitution continues to afford this right i dont believe its okay for governments to dither on the sidelines.

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Reply #28 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:15am
 
____ wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:14am:
Trying to put words in my mouth ... still makes it off topic.

No more discussion on your red herring in this thread.
Like to discuss it further, then start another thread.

Because you know im right and as usual youve been caught out in your little pc argument. 

Have some better thought out beliefs, not just whatever the greens party emails you.
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Reply #29 - Feb 3rd, 2016 at 10:34am
 
Israeli Far 'Right' ... yes.
Yet ...  not correct.

Secularisation of the courtroom is a step in the correct direction.
The religious oath implies religionists are above those that are not part of any cult.

Now, without swearing to the flying spag monster, will religionist be more likely to lie.

If not, then the opposition to the change is a storm in a teacup.
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