Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
trickle down theory does not work (Read 1622 times)
Bam
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #15 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:53pm
 
stunspore wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:14pm:
Sadly it is trickling down.....large percentage of wealth to the well off, and scraps go to the less well off. 

Scraps? Gee you're feeling generous today. With the growing wealth divide, houses becoming unaffordable for anyone who can't borrow $1 million and the shrinking of the middle class due to a reduction in secure employment, I would say there's nothing for anyone below the top 20%.
Back to top
 

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 51474
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #16 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 3:57pm
 
Neoconservatism at work.

Watch our debt figure climb.
Back to top
 

OzPolitic needs a >real< Environment MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Food MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Health MRB now!
OzPolitic needs a >real< Economics MRB now!

Topics in the right MRB!
 
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 37427
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #17 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 4:21pm
 
Lads , youre all operating in "scarcity" mode.

You are aware of the law of "state transference". you will attract what your own psychology .

successful people are all in "abundance"

Heres how you should start your day.
You should all commit to 10 minutes of mediatation every morning and 10 minutes of "gratitude affirmations".
If you live in australia and you cant develop an abundant and grateful mindset.
You have
Messed Up
You dont need to change countries.
Please watch...this is my contribution to you (from my abundant mindset)


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
perceptions_now
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 11694
Perth  WA
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #18 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 4:28pm
 
Well, Trickle down Economics is only an "illusory effect", for Public consumption.

The Reality of Economic Growth, is Really a matter of Global Basic's, when it comes to the major Economic Drivers, which have been mostly the following, during the modern era -
1) Demographics - Steady, But good Growth in Total Population, which underpins Demand!
2) Energy - The capacity to match increasing Economic Demand, with increasing Energy Supply, at low Prices.
3) Technology - An increasing capacity, to deliver lower Costs, via increasing levels of Technology.
4) Climate - A continuing "Goldilocks Climate", over the modern Economic era, enabling a Growing Population to be Fed & Watered, at Cost levels which remain under control!

The above 4 major factors have consistently enabled Global Economic Growth, for quite some time and thus the illusion/s of the trickle down theory have been made "more acceptable".

However, at least 3 of these major Economic Drivers have been slowing for a while now & they are about to go negative, which will highlight that the "trickle down theory has indeed been purely an illusion".

Cheers!
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
double plus good
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5693
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #19 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 4:50pm
 
The rich and powerful in Australia run everything now, both Labor and Liberal fatcats. . They make the decisions. They have  cheapened everything that was beautiful like the music industry. Most of what comes through the media is supermodels, actresses and other assorted rubbish they are interested in. In the 60's and 70's there was a sniff at how life and society could be but that's gone. They've smashed that down and brought us back to the 1950's. As long as we shut up and go along with their plan they are happy. It's starting to suck for us though.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Swagman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 15095
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #20 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:02pm
 
Quote:
trickle down theory does not work


Really? Who pays for the vast majority of the Poor's welfare handouts?   Huh
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 89902
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #21 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:07pm
 
That's not 'trickle down - that's forced flow - and without it the peasants and the economy would both starve to death....
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 89902
Proud Old White Australian Man
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #22 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:15pm
 
Labor voter wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:16am:
America: Land of shrinking opportunity

Wealth does not trickle down from the rich to the poor. Period.

That's not Senator Elizabeth Warren talking. That's the latest conclusion of new research from the International Monetary Fund.
In fact, researchers found that when the top earners in society make more money, it actually slows down economic growth. On the other hand, when poorer people earn more, society as a whole benefits.

The researchers calculated that when the richest 20% of society increase their income by one percentage point, the annual rate of growth shrinks by nearly 0.1% within five years.

This shows that "the benefits do not trickle down," the researchers wrote in their report, which analyzed over 150 countries.

By contrast, when the lowest 20% of earners see their income grow by one percentage point, the rate of growth increases by nearly 0.4% over the same period.

Related: Class war locks poor kids out of top U.K. jobs

The new report called widening inequality "the defining challenge of our time," echoing earlier comments from President Obama.

The authors explain that high levels of income inequality drag down growth because poor people struggle to pay for health care and education, which hurts society as a whole.
"For instance, it can lead to under-investment in education as poor children end up in lower-quality schools and are less able to go on to college," the report says. "As a result, labor productivity could be lower than it would have been in a more equitable world."

The report builds upon research from other international organizations and Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate who has been campaigning against rising inequality.

money.cnn.com/2015/06/15/news/economy/trickle-down-theory-wrong-imf/



Pretty logical actually and easy to work out - one poor household buys one microwave - one rich household generously buys two -  there are 5,000,000 households, 2% of which are 'rich' - ergo - 2% of 500k = 25,000 microwaves x 2 (they buy two) = 50,000 microwaves - leaving 450,000 microwaves bought by poor households.

Small business prospers and the economy  operates at a level of sustenance.... WHEN the poor households can afford to buy microwaves.

Therefore poor households contribute nine times more economic activity and prosperity to retail small business than rich households do, even with the proviso that rich households purchase twice as many products.

Pretty simple really.  Kinda makes you re-think Joe's 'poor people don't use the roads'.... doesn't it?

Let us not forget the Grappler parable of the Indian rice paddy farmer and champion cobra wrestler under  the regime of the West casting millions if not billions of aid at India to upgrade education - since the funding will go the the middle classes and upper classes and not the uneducated poorer classes - and this will serve to generate prosperity for the middle and upper classes who have no genuine need compared to the poorer classes - the only 'trickle down' the Champion Cobra Wrestler will get is when he dies and is burned and slipped into the waters of the sacred Ganges to begin his journey to Paradise......

Truly, Sahib, when a Hindu is dying, it is often that the priests place on his lips a few drops of the sacred Ganges.... (probably to hasten things along a little)....
Back to top
« Last Edit: Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:54pm by Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM »  

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
stunspore
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5097
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #23 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 8:42pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:02pm:
Quote:
trickle down theory does not work


Really? Who pays for the vast majority of the Poor's welfare handouts?   Huh


Certainly not the dodgy people using tax loopholes and deductions.  From the looks of it, not libs either.  (Being generous not including libs in the dodgy section...)

I too, can make simple crap as well.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:23pm by stunspore »  
 
IP Logged
 
21st Century Dialup Network
Senior Member
****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 399
Brisbane
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #24 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16pm
 
I've studied this on a number of levels - trickle down does not work on any metric.

Ayn Rand was a fraud who claimed welfare in the end.

It's time to spread the wealth - middle out economics, a living wage and helping those who need it.

I'm in the top 25% of tax payers and don't mind paying taxes.

Back to top
 

Good Government V 305????
 
IP Logged
 
crocodile
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6683
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #25 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 11:07pm
 
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 9:16pm:
I've studied this on a number of levels - trickle down does not work on any metric.

Ayn Rand was a fraud who claimed welfare in the end.

It's time to spread the wealth - middle out economics, a living wage and helping those who need it.

I'm in the top 25% of tax payers and don't mind paying taxes.



May I ask where you may have studied this theory. So far, I am yet to find a single, reputable economics textbook that even gives it a mention. As far as I know it is simply a political term of phrase coined by the Democrats during Reagan's presidency. Just curious.
Back to top
 

Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.
 
IP Logged
 
crocodile
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6683
Gender: male
Re: trickle down theory does not work
Reply #26 - Feb 2nd, 2016 at 11:14pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:15pm:
Labor voter wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 10:16am:
America: Land of shrinking opportunity

Wealth does not trickle down from the rich to the poor. Period.

That's not Senator Elizabeth Warren talking. That's the latest conclusion of new research from the International Monetary Fund.
In fact, researchers found that when the top earners in society make more money, it actually slows down economic growth. On the other hand, when poorer people earn more, society as a whole benefits.

The researchers calculated that when the richest 20% of society increase their income by one percentage point, the annual rate of growth shrinks by nearly 0.1% within five years.

This shows that "the benefits do not trickle down," the researchers wrote in their report, which analyzed over 150 countries.

By contrast, when the lowest 20% of earners see their income grow by one percentage point, the rate of growth increases by nearly 0.4% over the same period.

Related: Class war locks poor kids out of top U.K. jobs

The new report called widening inequality "the defining challenge of our time," echoing earlier comments from President Obama.

The authors explain that high levels of income inequality drag down growth because poor people struggle to pay for health care and education, which hurts society as a whole.
"For instance, it can lead to under-investment in education as poor children end up in lower-quality schools and are less able to go on to college," the report says. "As a result, labor productivity could be lower than it would have been in a more equitable world."

The report builds upon research from other international organizations and Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate who has been campaigning against rising inequality.

money.cnn.com/2015/06/15/news/economy/trickle-down-theory-wrong-imf/



Pretty logical actually and easy to work out - one poor household buys one microwave - one rich household generously buys two -  there are 5,000,000 households, 2% of which are 'rich' - ergo - 2% of 500k = 25,000 microwaves x 2 (they buy two) = 50,000 microwaves - leaving 450,000 microwaves bought by poor households.

Small business prospers and the economy  operates at a level of sustenance.... WHEN the poor households can afford to buy microwaves.

Therefore poor households contribute nine times more economic activity and prosperity to retail small business than rich households do, even with the proviso that rich households purchase twice as many products.

Pretty simple really.  Kinda makes you re-think Joe's 'poor people don't use the roads'.... doesn't it?

Let us not forget the Grappler parable of the Indian rice paddy farmer and champion cobra wrestler under  the regime of the West casting millions if not billions of aid at India to upgrade education - since the funding will go the the middle classes and upper classes and not the uneducated poorer classes - and this will serve to generate prosperity for the middle and upper classes who have no genuine need compared to the poorer classes - the only 'trickle down' the Champion Cobra Wrestler will get is when he dies and is burned and slipped into the waters of the sacred Ganges to begin his journey to Paradise......

Truly, Sahib, when a Hindu is dying, it is often that the priests place on his lips a few drops of the sacred Ganges.... (probably to hasten things along a little)....


It's not even logical. The total, economy wide disposable income doesn't change therefore neither does the spending. Your theory might work if the only household purchase were microwaves.

The article uses US data where the corporate tax rate is a punishing 40c in the dollar. The effect on both labour and capital productivity would be a disaster. That would be the primary driver of poor wages growth and widening inequality.
Back to top
 

Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print