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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36384 Gender:	Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault Reply #60 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:12pm It's largely because of attitudes like yours that these crimes go unreported in the first place.
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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #61 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15pm

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Hidden crime of sexual assault

Sexual assault is a vastly under-reported, under-investigated and under-convicted crime. According to the Victorian Law Reform Commission, one in six reports to police of rape, less than one in seven reports of incest or sexual penetration of a child, one in seven reports of women sexually assaulted by a current partner and just over one in six reports of sexual assault by any other male result in prosecution.

Of all those committing sexual assaults in Victoria, less than five per cent face legal punishment. Women are more likely to report the crime to police if the offender is a stranger. Women are less likely to report current husbands, de facto partners or boyfriends.
Reasons for under-reporting of sexual assault

Research shows that sexual assault is not reported to the police for a number of reasons including:
lack of faith in police and the justice system
the fear of not being believed
fear of coping with the medical and legal procedures
fear of reprisals
not wanting family and friends to know
humiliation and shame
prevalent social attitudes, which blame the victim for sexual assault.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/sexual-assault

Do you think male victims of sexual assault report it Mothra? Do you think the incidence of under reporting amongst males is likely to be higher or lower than amongst females? What about false claims of sexual assault? Do you think males are more or less likley to be represented here? what about claims of child sexual abuse? Males more or less likely to be represented here?

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault Reply #62 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:16pm mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:12pm: It's largely because of attitudes like yours that these crimes go unreported in the first place. Not really, your main problem is that you think only women can be victims. And so do the courts.
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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #63 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Hidden crime of sexual assault

Sexual assault is a vastly under-reported, under-investigated and under-convicted crime. According to the Victorian Law Reform Commission, one in six reports to police of rape, less than one in seven reports of incest or sexual penetration of a child, one in seven reports of women sexually assaulted by a current partner and just over one in six reports of sexual assault by any other male result in prosecution.

Of all those committing sexual assaults in Victoria, less than five per cent face legal punishment. Women are more likely to report the crime to police if the offender is a stranger. Women are less likely to report current husbands, de facto partners or boyfriends.
Reasons for under-reporting of sexual assault

Research shows that sexual assault is not reported to the police for a number of reasons including:
lack of faith in police and the justice system
the fear of not being believed
fear of coping with the medical and legal procedures
fear of reprisals
not wanting family and friends to know
humiliation and shame
prevalent social attitudes, which blame the victim for sexual assault.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/sexual-assault

Do you think male victims of sexual assault report it Mothra? Do you think the incidence of under reporting amongst males is likely to be higher or lower than amongst females? What about false claims of sexual assault? Do you think males are more or less likley to be represented here? what about claims of child sexual abuse? Males more or less likely to be represented here?

I think males would be less likely to report than females. What is you point?

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #64 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:58pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 68% still being left unreported.1

Why Will Only 2 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?
The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 68% of assaults in the last five years were not reported).1 Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 2% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.

Out of every 100 rapes:

32 get reported to the police

7 lead to an arrest

3 are referred to prosecutors

2 lead to a felony conviction

2 rapists will spend a single day in prison

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

absolute codswallop.

You have a habit of arguing with collated statistics Ian. Prefer your own erroneous world view do yo?

Explain how an alleged unreported crime can be a "collated statistic""

Can you really not work this out for yourself? They are reported to rape crisis centres; doctors; hospitals or counsellors.

Numbers are also uncovered through surveys.

Completly unsubstantiated allegations are not "collated statistics". Try again.

A hospital report is an unsubstantiated allegation?

mandatory reporting.

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #65 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:19pm

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:12pm:

It's largely because of attitudes like yours that these crimes go unreported in the first place.

Not really, your main problem is that you think only women can be victims. And so do the courts.

Please provide evidence of where i have said anything even remotely suggesting that.

In fact, the converse is true. I've spoken out for male victims on numerous occasions.

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #66 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:19pm

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:58pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 68% still being left unreported.1

Why Will Only 2 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?
The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 68% of assaults in the last five years were not reported).1 Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 2% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.

Out of every 100 rapes:

32 get reported to the police

7 lead to an arrest

3 are referred to prosecutors

2 lead to a felony conviction

2 rapists will spend a single day in prison

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

absolute codswallop.

You have a habit of arguing with collated statistics Ian. Prefer your own erroneous world view do yo?

Explain how an alleged unreported crime can be a "collated statistic""

Can you really not work this out for yourself? They are reported to rape crisis centres; doctors; hospitals or counsellors.

Numbers are also uncovered through surveys.

Completly unsubstantiated allegations are not "collated statistics". Try again.

A hospital report is an unsubstantiated allegation?

mandatory reporting.

No. You do not need to file a police report if you attend hospital.

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #67 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:20pm

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Hidden crime of sexual assault

Sexual assault is a vastly under-reported, under-investigated and under-convicted crime. According to the Victorian Law Reform Commission, one in six reports to police of rape, less than one in seven reports of incest or sexual penetration of a child, one in seven reports of women sexually assaulted by a current partner and just over one in six reports of sexual assault by any other male result in prosecution.

Of all those committing sexual assaults in Victoria, less than five per cent face legal punishment. Women are more likely to report the crime to police if the offender is a stranger. Women are less likely to report current husbands, de facto partners or boyfriends.
Reasons for under-reporting of sexual assault

Research shows that sexual assault is not reported to the police for a number of reasons including:
lack of faith in police and the justice system
the fear of not being believed
fear of coping with the medical and legal procedures
fear of reprisals
not wanting family and friends to know
humiliation and shame
prevalent social attitudes, which blame the victim for sexual assault.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/sexual-assault

Do you think male victims of sexual assault report it Mothra? Do you think the incidence of under reporting amongst males is likely to be higher or lower than amongst females? What about false claims of sexual assault? Do you think males are more or less likley to be represented here? what about claims of child sexual abuse? Males more or less likely to be represented here?

I think males would be less likely to report than females. What is you point?

How many males make false claims of sexual abuse as compared to females do you think?

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #68 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:20pm

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:19pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:58pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 68% still being left unreported.1

Why Will Only 2 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?
The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 68% of assaults in the last five years were not reported).1 Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 2% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.

Out of every 100 rapes:

32 get reported to the police

7 lead to an arrest

3 are referred to prosecutors

2 lead to a felony conviction

2 rapists will spend a single day in prison

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

absolute codswallop.

You have a habit of arguing with collated statistics Ian. Prefer your own erroneous world view do yo?

Explain how an alleged unreported crime can be a "collated statistic""

Can you really not work this out for yourself? They are reported to rape crisis centres; doctors; hospitals or counsellors.

Numbers are also uncovered through surveys.

Completly unsubstantiated allegations are not "collated statistics". Try again.

A hospital report is an unsubstantiated allegation?

mandatory reporting.

No. You do not need to file a police report if you attend hospital.

mandatory reporting. Roll Eyes

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #69 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:22pm

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:20pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:19pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:58pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 68% still being left unreported.1

Why Will Only 2 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?
The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 68% of assaults in the last five years were not reported).1 Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 2% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.

Out of every 100 rapes:

32 get reported to the police

7 lead to an arrest

3 are referred to prosecutors

2 lead to a felony conviction

2 rapists will spend a single day in prison

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

absolute codswallop.

You have a habit of arguing with collated statistics Ian. Prefer your own erroneous world view do yo?

Explain how an alleged unreported crime can be a "collated statistic""

Can you really not work this out for yourself? They are reported to rape crisis centres; doctors; hospitals or counsellors.

Numbers are also uncovered through surveys.

Completly unsubstantiated allegations are not "collated statistics". Try again.

A hospital report is an unsubstantiated allegation?

mandatory reporting.

No. You do not need to file a police report if you attend hospital.

mandatory reporting. Roll Eyes

That only applies to minors. You seriously need to educate yourself better.

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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #70 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:23pm

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:20pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:15pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:03pm:

Hidden crime of sexual assault

Sexual assault is a vastly under-reported, under-investigated and under-convicted crime. According to the Victorian Law Reform Commission, one in six reports to police of rape, less than one in seven reports of incest or sexual penetration of a child, one in seven reports of women sexually assaulted by a current partner and just over one in six reports of sexual assault by any other male result in prosecution.

Of all those committing sexual assaults in Victoria, less than five per cent face legal punishment. Women are more likely to report the crime to police if the offender is a stranger. Women are less likely to report current husbands, de facto partners or boyfriends.
Reasons for under-reporting of sexual assault

Research shows that sexual assault is not reported to the police for a number of reasons including:
lack of faith in police and the justice system
the fear of not being believed
fear of coping with the medical and legal procedures
fear of reprisals
not wanting family and friends to know
humiliation and shame
prevalent social attitudes, which blame the victim for sexual assault.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/sexual-assault

Do you think male victims of sexual assault report it Mothra? Do you think the incidence of under reporting amongst males is likely to be higher or lower than amongst females? What about false claims of sexual assault? Do you think males are more or less likley to be represented here? what about claims of child sexual abuse? Males more or less likely to be represented here?

I think males would be less likely to report than females. What is you point?

How many males make false claims of sexual abuse as compared to females do you think?

And the relevance of that is?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36384 Gender:	Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault Reply #71 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:34pm Also, you do know that mandatory reporting doesn't mean a police report, don't you?
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Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault
Reply #73 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:12pm

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:22pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:20pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:19pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:18pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:01pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:58pm:

ian wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 68% still being left unreported.1

Why Will Only 2 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?
The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 68% of assaults in the last five years were not reported).1 Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 2% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.

Out of every 100 rapes:

32 get reported to the police

7 lead to an arrest

3 are referred to prosecutors

2 lead to a felony conviction

2 rapists will spend a single day in prison

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

absolute codswallop.

You have a habit of arguing with collated statistics Ian. Prefer your own erroneous world view do yo?

Explain how an alleged unreported crime can be a "collated statistic""

Can you really not work this out for yourself? They are reported to rape crisis centres; doctors; hospitals or counsellors.

Numbers are also uncovered through surveys.

Completly unsubstantiated allegations are not "collated statistics". Try again.

A hospital report is an unsubstantiated allegation?

mandatory reporting.

No. You do not need to file a police report if you attend hospital.

mandatory reporting. Roll Eyes

That only applies to minors. You seriously need to educate yourself better.

wrong.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: One thing Aussies good at - rape & sexual assault Reply #74 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:13pm mothra wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:34pm: Also, you do know that mandatory reporting doesn't mean a police report, don't you? Thats exactly what it means. A mandatory report to the police.
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