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Reply #90 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

The restaurant closed for one day

A day's trade lost. Two actually, as the workers got paid for doing effall.

Multiply that out by all the businesses closed for the day because of excessive penalty rates and that adds up to a schitt load of potential work that could have been undertaken by otherwise unemployed individuals having to live off the enslaved tax payer.

Penalty rates cost jobs.....tut tut tut....

Management closed because a few hundred dollars of profit not worth opening.
Much the same with workers: on a holiday it may not be worth going to work when it's paid the same amount as any other day.
Yeh there will be some workers that are willing to go lower pay. I wouldn't mind doing a do nothing middle management role or CEO etc for half their pay either.
Don't use labour supply market argument. Because one could extend that with so many refugees you could virtually bring labour costs to well below a living wage by feeding off desperation.

In fact, you wonder why libs aren't more open to refugees since they are one link to the slavery (indentured) days of the past.

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #91 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:53am

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

The restaurant closed for one day

A day's trade lost. Two actually, as the workers got paid for doing effall.

Multiply that out by all the businesses closed for the day because of excessive penalty rates and that adds up to a schitt load of potential work that could have been undertaken by otherwise unemployed individuals having to live off the enslaved tax payer.

Penalty rates cost jobs.....tut tut tut....

Management closed because a few hundred dollars of profit not worth opening.
Much the same with workers: on a holiday it may not be worth going to work when it's paid the same amount as any other day.
Yeh there will be some workers that are willing to go lower pay. I wouldn't mind doing a do nothing middle management role or CEO etc for half their pay either.
Don't use labour supply market argument. Because one could extend that with so many refugees you could virtually bring labour costs to well below a living wage by feeding off desperation.

In fact, you wonder why libs aren't more open to refugees since they are one link to the slavery (indentured) days of the past.

Brace yourself the Hornets nest is stired Wink

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #92 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:58am

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

The restaurant closed for one day

A day's trade lost. Two actually, as the workers got paid for doing effall.

Multiply that out by all the businesses closed for the day because of excessive penalty rates and that adds up to a schitt load of potential work that could have been undertaken by otherwise unemployed individuals having to live off the enslaved tax payer.

Penalty rates cost jobs.....tut tut tut....

The restaurant closed for one day.

The permanant workers were paid to stay home (as it was a public holiday - you were paid to stay home too).

Nobody lost their job.

They returned to work the next day.

The owner admitted that he would have made a profit if he had opened.

No jobs were lost because of penalty rates.

Penalty rates don't cost jobs.

It couldn't be any simpler.

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Reply #93 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 12:03pm

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One of Adelaide’s top restaurants — popular with politicians, celebrities and tourists — has closed its doors for Australia Day celebrations because of excessive penalty rates.

This is despite North Terrace restaurant Parlamento being positioned opposite the Adelaide Casino, Parliament House, the Festival Centre and a short distance from the Adelaide Oval footbridge.

The more than 40,000 people attending an Australia Day concert and the Australia v India T20 cricket match at Adelaide Oval last night would have guaranteed the restaurant a full house.

But Parlamento co-owner Daniel Rattenni said take-home profit would have been only a “couple of hundred bucks” once dishwashers, baristas and kitchenhands were paid “professional” rates of at least $48 an hour excluding superannuation — more than double the standard hourly rate of $20 an hour.

“Even if we came out with a couple of hundred bucks (profit), what’s the point?” he said.

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #95 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours? Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150401 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #96 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours? Wut? bugger I hate the very rich. Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway. Another failed political stunt from the Libs.
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #97 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:26pm Bringing down premises' rent and insurance costs will help businesses far more than wages - because these make up a majority of costs more often than wages are. Sadly libs won't do anything about it as it is quite difficult to implement regulation over this compared to attacking workers.
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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #98 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

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Reply #99 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

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Reply #100 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:37pm

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Bringing down premises' rent and insurance costs will help businesses far more than wages - because these make up a majority of costs more often than wages are.

Sadly libs won't do anything about it as it is quite difficult to implement regulation over this compared to attacking workers.

The ideal situation would be for government to have absolutely no say in the private transactions and goings on between the workers, the bosses and the customers whatsoever, the sooner that everyone realises that government is just legislated mafia the better off we'll all be.

Now I am hearing Louis Armstrong singing What a wonderful world.

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Reply #101 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

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Reply #102 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:49pm

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

Very likely they much preferred the day off, maybe they had plans for the day.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61264 Here Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #103 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:51pm In reality there is insufficient information to make realistic comments about this case way too much we don't know and we don't know how much is true from what we were told to start with.
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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #104 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Bringing down premises' rent and insurance costs will help businesses far more than wages - because these make up a majority of costs more often than wages are.

Sadly libs won't do anything about it as it is quite difficult to implement regulation over this compared to attacking workers.

The ideal situation would be for government to have absolutely no say in the private transactions and goings on between the workers, the bosses and the customers whatsoever, the sooner that everyone realises that government is just legislated mafia the better off we'll all be.

Now I am hearing Louis Armstrong singing What a wonderful world.

I assume you got a magical way to track illegal transactions like terrorist funding?

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