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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #75 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15am stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:13am: What do expect from Swag... .....cutting edge debate on the issues that count
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #76 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15am Swag...the business would have still made a profit even with penalty rates - but chose to not open. As it says in the article.
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Reply #77 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:16am

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

What do expect from Swag...

The same as usual: complete bullshit.

As soon as he hears the words 'penalty rates', he starts salivating.

In this case he couldn't have been further from the truth.

The restaurant closed for one day.

The workers were paid to stay home.

Nobody lost their job.

They returned to work the next day.

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Reply #78 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:17am

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:13am:

What do expect from Swag...

.....cutting edge debate on the issues that count Cheesy

The restaurant closed for one day.

The workers were paid to stay home.

Nobody lost their job.

They returned to work the next day.

The owner admitted that he would have made a profit if he had opened.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #79 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:17am stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15am: Swag...the business would have still made a profit even with penalty rates - but chose to not open. As it says in the article. The employees (or some casuals) would have still made an extra day's wage if they worked without penalty rates....
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #80 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:18am The restaurant's suppliers would have sold more stock.....
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Reply #81 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15am:

Swag...the business would have still made a profit even with penalty rates - but chose to not open. As it says in the article.

The employees (or some casuals) would have still made an extra day's wage if they worked without penalty rates....

The restaurant closed for one day.

The permanant workers were paid to stay home.

Nobody lost their job.

They returned to work the next day.

The owner admitted that he would have made a profit if he had opened.

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Reply #82 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:27am

Lower wages for all so the business makes even more profit - wven when they already are.

Twisted logic. Advocating low wages because its good for business. So would lowering prices to stimulate consumer demand. Or reducing property prices or water/electricity. Or no Gst increase.

But in any case not like the arguments for and against penalty rates havent been said by people like me or Swag.

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Reply #83 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

The left will be happy with this.
They like to see businesses fail.

The business isn't failing.

They had the opportunity to make a $200 profit, and turned it down.

So, they closed on one day.

Imprecise. They had an opportunity to make what they claimed would have been a $200 profit and turned it down. How do we know that they wouldn't have made more?

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #84 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:32am Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:18am: The restaurant's suppliers would have sold more stock..... ... and the suppliers of the restaurant's competitors would have sold less stock. It's zero sum.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61265 Here Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #85 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15am: stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:13am: What do expect from Swag... .....cutting edge debate on the issues that count Well I laughed anyway, Very funny.
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Reply #86 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

The restaurant closed for one day

A day's trade lost. Two actually, as the workers got paid for doing effall.

Multiply that out by all the businesses closed for the day because of excessive penalty rates and that adds up to a schitt load of potential work that could have been undertaken by otherwise unemployed individuals having to live off the enslaved tax payer.

Penalty rates cost jobs.....tut tut tut....

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61265 Here Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #87 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:39am For all we know this restaurant never opens on any public holiday.
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Reply #88 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:43am

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

The restaurant closed for one day

A day's trade lost. Two actually, as the workers got paid for doing effall.

Multiply that out by all the businesses closed for the day because of excessive penalty rates and that adds up to a schitt load of potential work that could have been undertaken by otherwise unemployed individuals having to live off the enslaved tax payer.

Penalty rates cost jobs.....tut tut tut....

It is budgeted for , the public holidays are posted in advance.

Penalty rates cost no jobs, The employer is employing the number of people required for the work.

Giving the employer a greater share of the profit has no impact on employment unless you are talking about in Ferrari sales.

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Reply #89 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:55am

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

The restaurant closed for one day

A day's trade lost. Two actually, as the workers got paid for doing effall.

Multiply that out by all the businesses closed for the day because of excessive penalty rates and that adds up to a schitt load of potential work that could have been undertaken by otherwise unemployed individuals having to live off the enslaved tax payer.

Penalty rates cost jobs.....tut tut tut....

Closed for the day, so the rest of the workers and bosses can go out and have good day and pay for entertainment etc, contributing to the economy.

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