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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #30 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

congratulations..

you've done yourself out of a job due to your greed.

now blame someone else.. Roll Eyes

in the mean time good luck with your $0 pay cheque.. losers Grin

You seem very confused on this issue.

Nobody was being greedy (except the restaurant owner: $200 profit wasn't enough for him).

Nobody was demanding that the restaurant open.

The restaurant was only closed for one day - nobody has lost their job.

Penalty rates are not new.

Nobody is asking for penalty rates to be increased.

The restaurant workers will receive their normal pay, and have a day off as a paid public holiday.

Which part are you still struggling with?

I wouldn't have opened for that amount of money either... it wasn't even guaranteed that he'd even get that much..

And nobody is condemning him for not opening.

The workers stayed home and were paid for a public holiday (apart from the casuals, of course).

So, what's your problem again?

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #31 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:

at $48 plus an hour for unskill plate lickers the shops aren't opening at all so they GET NO MONEY AT ALL

The only Unskilled here are the owner managers.

With 20+ years in hospitality let me educate you

On Sundays & Public Holidays most "SUCCESSFUL" restaurants/cafe's are run as such:

1) Owners
2) Maitre d'
3) Youngest Waitstaff
4) Head Chef
5) Sous Chef
6) 1st year app

1, 2 & 3 - Front of house

4,5 & 6 - Kitchen

3 & 6 are the ONLY ones on penalty rates.
1 is on profit
2,4 & 5 are on salary

Assuming "Owners" = a couple then the above should be able to comfortably service between 50 & 70 pax per seating.

BTW - The average rate for a Waiter/Waitress is AU$15.38 per hour

1st yr app = $11.07 per hour

If his paying over $48 per hour as he says his paying way above award rates.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150345 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #32 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:43pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: If his paying over $48 per hour as he says his paying way above award rates. The Award rate for a Level 3 Food & Beverage Attendant/Cook/Kitchen Attendant is $47.75 on a Public Holiday. The rate for a Level 4 (tradesperson) is $50.33
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150345 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #33 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:49pm The Award rate for a Food and Beverage Supervisor on a Public Holiday is $53.48
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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #34 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

If his paying over $48 per hour as he says his paying way above award rates.

The Award rate for a Level 3 Food & Beverage Attendant/Cook/Kitchen Attendant is $47.75 on a Public Holiday.

The rate for a Level 4 (tradesperson) is $50.33

Which is why you don't put a level 3 on, you use salaried staff.

Use apprentices & seeing as he personally singled out uni students

Casual 18 years
Level 1 food and beverage attendant grade 1 $15.56 $15.56 per hour plus $2.01 per hour or part of an hour $15.56 per hour plus $3.02 per hour or part of an hour $18.68

www.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleDocuments/872/hospitality-industry-general-award-ma00...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150345 Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #35 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:53pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: BTW - The average rate for a Waiter/Waitress is AU$15.38 per hour The minimum rate for an adult is $17.29
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #36 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:53pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: BTW - The average rate for a Waiter/Waitress is AU$15.38 per hour The minimum rate for an adult is $17.29 Which is why I said average http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/Job=Waiter%2FWaitress/Hourly_Rate
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Reply #37 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

BTW - The average rate for a Waiter/Waitress is AU$15.38 per hour

The minimum rate for an adult is $17.29

Which is why I said average

http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/Job=Waiter%2FWaitress/Hourly_Rate

And your point?

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22976 ACT Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #38 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:03pm I am surprised one of the LNP goons hasn't been down there running a press conference. Where's Pyne?
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Reply #39 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

This went of course a bit.

To clarify:

Nobody was demanding that the restaurant open.

The restaurant was only closed for one day - nobody has lost their job.

Penalty rates are not new.

Nobody is asking for penalty rates to be increased.

The restaurant workers will receive their normal pay, and have a day off as a paid public holiday.

The fact that the owner admits that he was going to make a profit if he opened, shows that penalty rates are still justified.

Yes?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61256 Here Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #40 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:11pm Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:03pm: I am surprised one of the LNP goons hasn't been down there running a press conference. Where's Pyne? He had a day off it was a public holiday.
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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #41 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:20pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

I am surprised one of the LNP goons hasn't been down there running a press conference. Where's Pyne?

The Liberal National Party (LNP) is a QUEENSLAND STATE GOVERNMENT PARTY.

The current Federal Government in Canberra is called the COALITION ... and has been since 1923!

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In Australian politics, the Coalition is a formal alliance of broadly centre-right parties, which has existed in various forms since 1923.

The partners in the alliance are the Liberal Party (LPA), the National Party (formerly the Country Party and the National Country Party), the Country Liberal Party (CLP), and the Liberal National Party (LNP). Notable previous partners were the Nationalist Party and the United Australia Party, both predecessors of the current Liberal Party.

IF I see somebody/anybody referring to the current Federal Government, AGAIN, as the LNP, instead of the COALITION, I will use voodoo to make you cease and desist. Cool

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #42 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:24pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

I am surprised one of the LNP goons hasn't been down there running a press conference. Where's Pyne?

The Liberal National Party (LNP) is a QUEENSLAND STATE GOVERNMENT PARTY.

The current Federal Government in Canberra is called the COALITION ... and has been since 1923!

Quote:

In Australian politics, the Coalition is a formal alliance of broadly centre-right parties, which has existed in various forms since 1923.

The partners in the alliance are the Liberal Party (LPA), the National Party (formerly the Country Party and the National Country Party), the Country Liberal Party (CLP), and the Liberal National Party (LNP). Notable previous partners were the Nationalist Party and the United Australia Party, both predecessors of the current Liberal Party.

IF I see somebody/anybody referring to the current Federal Government, AGAIN, as the LNP, instead of the COALITION, I will use voodoo to make you cease and desist. Cool

LNP

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #43 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:25pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

I am surprised one of the LNP goons hasn't been down there running a press conference. Where's Pyne?

The Liberal National Party (LNP) is a QUEENSLAND STATE GOVERNMENT PARTY.

The current Federal Government in Canberra is called the COALITION ... and has been since 1923!

Quote:

In Australian politics, the Coalition is a formal alliance of broadly centre-right parties, which has existed in various forms since 1923.

The partners in the alliance are the Liberal Party (LPA), the National Party (formerly the Country Party and the National Country Party), the Country Liberal Party (CLP), and the Liberal National Party (LNP). Notable previous partners were the Nationalist Party and the United Australia Party, both predecessors of the current Liberal Party.

IF I see somebody/anybody referring to the current Federal Government, AGAIN, as the LNP, instead of the COALITION, I will use voodoo to make you cease and desist. Cool

Duh!

The LNP Coalition........ OKAY!!!!!!!!

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #44 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

bwood1946 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

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Even if we came out with a couple of hundred bucks (profit), what’s the point?” he said. The point is the people that work these hours, should get paid the penalty rates. Sad

So he chose not to open,,his right!!

END OF STORY Wink

No, he's now bitching about his choice.

End of story would have been, made choice no news article complaining.

Exactly.

Yesterday, on the restaurant’s front window, was a message to patrons that said: “Parlamento will be closed on Australia Day due to public holiday costs. Kitchenhand/baristas/dishwashers/waiters all on $48 per hour minimum, plus 9% super — on top. Nb ... ‘not complaining. just explaining’. Happy Australia Day.”

What's wrong with “Parlamento will be closed on Australia Day” ?

Sounds like a cheap political stunt to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's a member of the Liberal Party.

It's the business equivalent of striking for better pay. The only difference is, these lockouts are legal.

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