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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #105 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:24pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

The ideal situation would be for government to have absolutely no say in the private transactions and goings on between the workers, the bosses and the customers whatsoever, the sooner that everyone realises that government is just legislated mafia the better off we'll all be.

Isn't exploitation wonderful....

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #107 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:29pm

Wolseley wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

The ideal situation would be for government to have absolutely no say in the private transactions and goings on between the workers, the bosses and the customers whatsoever, the sooner that everyone realises that government is just legislated mafia the better off we'll all be.

Isn't exploitation wonderful....

For the exploiters yes

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #108 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #109 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

Casual workers lost a days pay. Im sure you dont care. They are after all, only casuals.

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #110 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:46pm

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

Casual workers lost a days pay.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #111 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

Casual workers lost a days pay.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

So you dont care?

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greggerypeccary

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #112 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:51pm

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:12pm:

ian wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Oh well, the workers got to stay home and they got paid anyway.

Not if they were casual workers which is more than likely the case.

Yes, the permanent employees got paid to stay home and the casual workers got to have some well deserved time off.

The restaurant opened again the next day, and nobody lost their jobs.

There's nothing to see here.

The casual workers lost a days wages.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

Casual workers lost a days pay.

Yes, that's correct.

As they do on every other day that the restaurant closes throughout the year.

Casuals are never guaranteed work - ever.

Moreover, nobody lost their job and the restaurant continues to operate as normal.

There is absolutely nothing to see here.

So you dont care?

I certainly do. Casual employment is terrible.

However, we don't know if any casuals are employed by this restaurant.

Moreover, if they are, there is nothing unusual in this situation: casuals are never guaranteed a shift.

A casual might work 30 hours this week, and not work again for a month.

It's the nature of the beast, unfortunately.

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #113 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:53pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Bringing down premises' rent and insurance costs will help businesses far more than wages - because these make up a majority of costs more often than wages are.

Sadly libs won't do anything about it as it is quite difficult to implement regulation over this compared to attacking workers.

The ideal situation would be for government to have absolutely no say in the private transactions and goings on between the workers, the bosses and the customers whatsoever, the sooner that everyone realises that government is just legislated mafia the better off we'll all be.

Now I am hearing Louis Armstrong singing What a wonderful world.

Sounds like the libs ideal IR policy

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #114 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:25pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

I assume you got a magical way to track illegal transactions like terrorist funding?

There would be no such thing as a terrorist in a government free world. Wink

Too true! ISIS would just be freedom of ideology fighters. Roll Eyes

Edit: Not only that we would all be in eternal bliss. No Govt! Yay! Rape our women, kill our fighting aged males, no govt is so cool! They do nothing!

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates Reply #115 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:44pm Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours? Wut? bugger I hate the very rich. Go and risk your house and your hard earned and start up up a business then comrade leech....
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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #116 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:46pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

A few hundred dollars of profit isn't worth opening for a few hours?

Wut? bugger I hate the very rich.

Go and risk your house and your hard earned and start up up a business then comrade leech.... Sad

Where's the "look after the cents and the dollars will look after themselves" with that attitude? The owner refused to make a profit, no matter the size.

If he runs his business on a political basis rather than a business basis, I suspect he's on a Darwinian path to extinction.

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Reply #117 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:42am

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Even if we came out with a couple of hundred bucks (profit), what’s the point?” he said. The point is the people that work these hours, should get paid the penalty rates. Sad

No one gets into running a business to barely scrape by. They get in to make money. Paying more than 200% extra in wages because of public holiday loading and other loadings takes a massive chunk out of a businesses bottom line. Only the most insane would willingly do that.

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Reply #118 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

bwood1946 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:18pm:

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Even if we came out with a couple of hundred bucks (profit), what’s the point?” he said. The point is the people that work these hours, should get paid the penalty rates. Sad

So he chose not to open,,his right!!

END OF STORY Wink

No, he's now bitching about his choice.

End of story would have been, made choice no news article complaining.

Exactly.

Yesterday, on the restaurant’s front window, was a message to patrons that said: “Parlamento will be closed on Australia Day due to public holiday costs. Kitchenhand/baristas/dishwashers/waiters all on $48 per hour minimum, plus 9% super — on top. Nb ... ‘not complaining. just explaining’. Happy Australia Day.”

What's wrong with “Parlamento will be closed on Australia Day” ?

Sounds like a cheap political stunt to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's a member of the Liberal Party.

Super goes up to 12% soon, if I recall.

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Re: Restaurant Closes To Avoid Penalty Rates
Reply #119 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:49am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:42am:

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Even if we came out with a couple of hundred bucks (profit), what’s the point?” he said. The point is the people that work these hours, should get paid the penalty rates. Sad

No one gets into running a business to barely scrape by. They get in to make money. Paying more than 200% extra in wages because of public holiday loading and other loadings takes a massive chunk out of a businesses bottom line. Only the most insane would willingly do that.

No one gets into business expecting free labour.

The "most insane" part is wrong. Only businesses that expect to make a profit would pay - those that can't shouldn't be running or expect employees to take lower pay to subsidise a business's costs.

Again, why won't libs focus on what costs most small businesses - costs of premises and insurance?

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