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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #15 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

____ wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Was Abbott's assassination by the Liberal Party because of his anti choice for women concerning abortion and his negative stance towards marriage equality?

Are the Liberal Party against conservative christian values?

Was the former Green leader assassinated because she was a closet STRAIGHT?

And another.
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It is a superb article and very powerfully makes the point about the growing inflexibility of society to accept diverging views.

It is a characteristic of 'internet debate' that if you oppose gay marriage then you are apparently 'homophobic' ie afraid of gays. The mere suggestion that you may oppose it on moral, religious or other grounds never seems to occur. I doubt very much that this article will get much discussion here. It is a tad too complex for most and introduces concepts such as the right to validly hold an opposing position without being a bigot, phobic or a retard.

The internet has given everyone a voice. The trouble is, it allowed us to discover that the majority of voices belong to the ignorant, the uninformed and ironically, the bigot.

Seems Maria is exploring hypocrisy.

I repeat.
The Liberal Party Assassinated Abbott.
Due to the Liberal Party's anti conservative christian agenda?

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Reply #16 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:46pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

macman wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

I believe he also has a responsibility to be in australia carrying out the duties he was elected to do, represent his electorate in federal parliament. If he finds addressing RWNJ's in the USA more appealing, well resign and f&*k off over there full time. Very few will miss you.

Parliament isn't sitting...

So Tones will not be missing when they do sit?

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Reply #17 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:51pm

____ wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Personal attack rather than replying ... interesting behaviour.

repeat of my question.
Abbott was assassinated by the Liberal Party.
Was this assassination because of Abbott's conservative christian values?

So that WAS why she was assassinated? Or was she *shock horror* developing conservative thoughts and had to be expelled?

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Reply #18 - Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

____ wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Personal attack rather than replying ... interesting behaviour.

repeat of my question.
Abbott was assassinated by the Liberal Party.
Was this assassination because of Abbott's conservative christian values?

So that WAS why she was assassinated? Or was she *shock horror* developing conservative thoughts and had to be expelled?

Tony Abbott is a woman ?
Perhaps she attended the same christian conversion workshop as longweekend.

So why did the Liberal Party assassinate Abbott. Because the liberal party is anti conservative christian values?

Is the question too difficult?

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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #19 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 5:49am

macman wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

macman wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

I believe he also has a responsibility to be in australia carrying out the duties he was elected to do, represent his electorate in federal parliament. If he finds addressing RWNJ's in the USA more appealing, well resign and f&*k off over there full time. Very few will miss you.

Parliament isn't sitting...

So Tones will not be missing when they do sit?

He'll be there when the whips're crackin'. Parliamentary whips, that is...

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macman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2435 australia Gender:	Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech Reply #20 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:42am No, he won't be. He and margie will be flying out tuesday for USA to address the RWNJ's, your US counterparts. So woody, lee and felon , would you like to explain why your idol isn't doing the job he is paid to do?
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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #21 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 7:36pm

macman wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 6:42am:

No, he won't be. He and margie will be flying out tuesday for USA to address the RWNJ's, your US counterparts. So woody, lee and felon , would you like to explain why your idol isn't doing the job he is paid to do?

And labor front-benchers never travel overseas, right?

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macman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2435 australia Gender:	Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech Reply #22 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 5:38am Deflection is not an answer Longie!Hightail it and join the other rightards.
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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #23 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 6:31am

macman wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 12:14pm:

I believe he also has a responsibility to be in australia carrying out the duties he was elected to do, represent his electorate in federal parliament. If he finds addressing RWNJ's in the USA more appealing, well resign and f&*k off over there full time. Very few will miss you.

Parliament is in recess, so he can do whatever he likes and I'm sure your opinion of him is an issue he couldn't care less about if he tried.

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macman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2435 australia Gender:	Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech Reply #24 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:08am I know it is hard for you but we will try again 'No, he won't be. He and margie will be flying out tuesday for USA to address the RWNJ's, your US counterparts. So woody, lee and felon , would you like to explain why your idol isn't doing the job he is paid to do?'
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Reply #25 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:12am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Or difficult concepts like the right to free speech and to hold a particular opinion.

So longweekend departs and Maria comes back......has anyone ever seen them in the same thread together?

It is laughable how the right wing misrepresent the concept of "freedom of speech"

Freedom of speech is in fact the right to communicate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship. It does not give a person the right to not be criticized.

The article in the OP falsely implies that criticism is censorship. Freedom of speech means that we have every right to criticize Abbotts addressing of a conservative right wing lobby group. It also protects our right to call right wingers the small minded bigots that they are.

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The Right Wing only believe in free speech when they agree with what is being said.

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech Reply #26 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:45pm To put it simply, if it is libs it's gospel and if it isn't it's witchery. Time to stake and burn.
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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #27 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:50pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 29^th, 2016 at 8:07am:

It is a superb article and very powerfully makes the point about the growing inflexibility of society to accept diverging views.

It is a characteristic of 'internet debate' that if you oppose gay marriage then you are apparently 'homophobic' ie afraid of gays. The mere suggestion that you may oppose it on moral, religious or other grounds never seems to occur. I doubt very much that this article will get much discussion here. It is a tad too complex for most and introduces concepts such as the right to validly hold an opposing position without being a bigot, phobic or a retard.

The internet has given everyone a voice. The trouble is, it allowed us to discover that the majority of voices belong to the ignorant, the uninformed and ironically, the bigot.

If you oppose gay marriage, you are a bigot and you are refusing rights to a segment of the population.

If someone was against interracial marriage on "moral" grounds, they are a bigot.

Deal with it, your "morals" are about not allowing equal basic rights to a segment of the population, that is bigotry.

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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #28 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 12:52pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 11:12am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1454017787/10#10 date=1454054635]
It is laughable how the right wing misrepresent the concept of "freedom of speech"

Freedom of speech is in fact the right to communicate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship. It does not give a person the right to not be criticized.

The article in the OP falsely implies that criticism is censorship.

it actually amazes me how much the conservative right simply can't get this, I get into this argument almost on a daily basis with conservatives, who see criticism against them as censorship, but then actually want to censor people who disagree with them, which is why you have huge reactionary hate campaigns online largely targeting women/feminists often involving real life abuse and stalking.

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Re: The 'Other' Opposition Leader's Speech
Reply #29 - Feb 2^nd, 2016 at 3:07pm

macman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 7:08am:

I know it is hard for you but we will try again

'No, he won't be. He and margie will be flying out tuesday for USA to address the RWNJ's, your US counterparts. So woody, lee and felon , would you like to explain why your idol isn't doing the job he is paid to do?'

Hey macman, I just watched QT and guess who was there?

Yup, your BFF, Tones...

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