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Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:02am

SA MP Nick Champion wants Labor to impose 'iron discipline' on members to oppose increase in GST

A Federal Opposition frontbencher wants Labor's national executive to impose an "iron discipline" on all party members to oppose an increase in the Goods and Services Tax (GST).

The call, by South Australian MP Nick Champion, for a binding resolution is a direct challenge to SA Premier Jay Weatherill, who supports an increase in the GST as a way to fund health and education services in the future.

"We really need an iron discipline in the party to defeat what is a very regressive taxation measure," Mr Champion told the ABC.

"Sometimes Labor Party policy has to be settled and the national executive and national conference are the right organs of the party to do it."

He said the Australian Labor Party (ALP) needed to adopt a clear position opposing the GST before this year's federal election.

The Federal Government has left the option of an increase to the consumption tax on the table as part of its broader plans to overhaul Australia's tax system, but it has not yet made a decision.

Mr Weatherill is backing a proposal to allow the Commonwealth to keep the extra money raised from an increased GST, while states and territories gain a portion of income tax revenue.

"I support a solution which involves us getting our revenue needs and if that requires an increase in the GST I would be prepared to permit that as a trade-off to get what we need as a nation — that's a proper health and education care system," Mr Weatherill said on Monday.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-27/mp-nick-champion-calls-for-labor-to-oppose...

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:06am SA MP Nick Champion = economic illiterate it seems
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST Reply #2 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28500 Gender:	Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST Reply #3 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:53am Swagman wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:06am: SA MP Nick Champion = economic illiterate it seems Yep, a mini-Stalin!
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Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Reply #4 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:54am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Of course! They've had ample opportunity from 2007 to 2013 to get rid of or change the GST and what did they do? Sweet bugger all, that's what!

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Reply #5 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Politicians will always see the value of having more money to waste.

In 5 years time 20% will look prudent in order to do the same things that 15% will fail to achieve this time and many people will still be stupid enough to swallow the guff.

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Reply #6 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

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Reply #7 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

Then you would be wrong - as you so often are. If you had been right, there would be moves to abolish the GST, a policy that disappeared 10 years ago. Labor like the GST. After all, it was their idea first!

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Reply #8 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

Then you would be wrong - as you so often are. If you had been right, there would be moves to abolish the GST, a policy that disappeared 10 years ago. Labor like the GST. After all, it was their idea first!

Once again you only show your lack of understanding.

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Reply #9 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

Then you would be wrong - as you so often are. If you had been right, there would be moves to abolish the GST, a policy that disappeared 10 years ago. Labor like the GST. After all, it was their idea first!

Once again you only show your lack of understanding.

Then correct me. Show me by your amazing debating skills why Labor still hates the GST so much that it has never sought to make a single alteration to it, nevermind repeal it and now, with an increase in the GST under discussion, half the ALP is in support?

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Reply #10 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

Then you would be wrong - as you so often are. If you had been right, there would be moves to abolish the GST, a policy that disappeared 10 years ago. Labor like the GST. After all, it was their idea first!

Once again you only show your lack of understanding.

Then correct me. Show me by your amazing debating skills why Labor still hates the GST so much that it has never sought to make a single alteration to it, nevermind repeal it and now, with an increase in the GST under discussion, half the ALP is in support?

Half ? Link

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Reply #11 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

Then you would be wrong - as you so often are. If you had been right, there would be moves to abolish the GST, a policy that disappeared 10 years ago. Labor like the GST. After all, it was their idea first!

Once again you only show your lack of understanding.

Then correct me. Show me by your amazing debating skills why Labor still hates the GST so much that it has never sought to make a single alteration to it, nevermind repeal it and now, with an increase in the GST under discussion, half the ALP is in support?

Show me by your amazing debating skills why Labor still hates the GST

If I get around the writing the book "Comprehension for Conservatives" I will send you a copy.

For your information Labor have not had any action against the GST in their policy since about 2003.

This fairly obviously does not mean that their original opposition to the GST was wrong in any way.

Labor's main opposition to the GST was in the unfair implementation of the tax. Obviously once it had been implemented a lot of Labor's original reasons for opposing the tax was gone. Labor had always supported the concept of a consumption tax but could never work out how it could be reasonable implemented, obviously reasonable implementation was never going to be an issue for the Liberals.

In 2003 Labor announced that it would be too costly and too difficult to unwind the GST. This position is not an indication of support for the tax or an indication that their original position was wrong in any way.

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Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Reply #12 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:35am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 1:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake. Now half of the ALP accepts that and sees the value of an increase to 15%. Now we get the see the ALP tear itself apart over the issue so that they can lose the next election by an even bigger margin.

Labor has long ago recognised that their opposition to the GST was a mistake.

I doubt that anyone in the ALP would agree with that.

Then you would be wrong - as you so often are. If you had been right, there would be moves to abolish the GST, a policy that disappeared 10 years ago. Labor like the GST. After all, it was their idea first!

Once again you only show your lack of understanding.

Then correct me. Show me by your amazing debating skills why Labor still hates the GST so much that it has never sought to make a single alteration to it, nevermind repeal it and now, with an increase in the GST under discussion, half the ALP is in support?

Show me by your amazing debating skills why Labor still hates the GST

If I get around the writing the book "Comprehension for Conservatives" I will send you a copy.

For your information Labor have not had any action against the GST in their policy since about 2003.

This fairly obviously does not mean that their original opposition to the GST was wrong in any way.

Labor's main opposition to the GST was in the unfair implementation of the tax. Obviously once it had been implemented a lot of Labor's original reasons for opposing the tax was gone. Labor had always supported the concept of a consumption tax but could never work out how it could be reasonable implemented, obviously reasonable implementation was never going to be an issue for the Liberals.

In 2003 Labor announced that it would be too costly and too difficult to unwind the GST. This position is not an indication of support for the tax or an indication that their original position was wrong in any way.

Wrong. Look at the Coalition and the carbon dioxide tax. They were against it from the outset and when they won office, they abolished it immediately. Labor had both the time and the means to get rid of the GST but chose not to. They simply want to use it as a wedge to divide voters and to create a scare campaign because they have no policies of their own other than to say "no, no, no!".

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST Reply #13 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:39am Didn't that get the abbott mob elected ... opposition, and not being labor? The libs did it, then it's fair game for labor to copy.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22986 ACT Gender:	Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST Reply #14 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 8:44am Labor is only opposed to it as it sees it as a winner policy at the next election. Similar to work Choices there will be a massive advertising campaign.
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