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Reply #45 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:00pm
 
bwood1946 wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:56am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:33am:
The Liberals 2013 election commitment was that there would not be.



Will the 2016 liberal election commitment be the same?

Are you saying politicians should never change their minds?

How about KRudd's "root and branch" Henry Tax Review? Oh, don't look at GST, it is merely a twig on the branch?


Are you saying politicians should never change their minds?

Reminiscent of the original GST where Howard had promised to never ever introduce a GST. The commitment lasted about 4 months after being elected.

People made the excuse that he just changed his mind, fact is that he was a GST supporter for his whole life except for the 12 month period where the Liberal party said he could not be leader if he didn't kill any discussion about a GST stone dead. Howard never changed his mind just what he was allowed to say.

WHY DO YOU LIE DNA

However, before the 1998 election, Howard proposed a GST that would replace all existing sales taxes, as well as applying to all goods and services. At the election, the Howard Government suffered a swing against it of 4.61% at the election, achieving a two-party-preferred vote of only 49.02%, compared with Labor on 50.98%. Nevertheless, the incumbent government retained a majority of seats in the lower house and Howard described the election win as a "mandate for the GST". Lacking a Senate majority, and with Labor opposed to the introduction of the GST, the government turned to the minor parties such as the Australian Democrats to gain the necessary support to get the necessary legislation through the Senate.

A prominent selling point of the legislation was that all the revenue raised by the GST would be distributed to the states. In 1999 an agreement was reached with the state and territory governments that their various duties, levies and taxes on consumption would be removed over time, with the consequent budget shortfall being replaced by GST income distributed by the Commonwealth Grants Commission. Furthermore, federally-levied personal income tax and company tax was reduced to offset the GST. Angry



You understand that calling me a liar and then posting absolutely irrelevant information makes you look rather silly ?
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Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Reply #46 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:02pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:19am:
When Abbott committed to not changing the GST and was asked if it referred to this term he kept repeating no change to the GST.

Abbott had committed to not changing the GST for more than 1 term in the leaders debate.


Actually all he did was reiterate that he had no plans to increase GST. Didn't mention 1 term, 2,3, carry it on.

And is Abbott still PM? Can't a new leader have a new policy?

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Reply #47 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:06pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:02pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:19am:
When Abbott committed to not changing the GST and was asked if it referred to this term he kept repeating no change to the GST.

Abbott had committed to not changing the GST for more than 1 term in the leaders debate.


Actually all he did was reiterate that he had no plans to increase GST. Didn't mention 1 term, 2,3, carry it on.

And is Abbott still PM? Can't a new leader have a new policy?


Actually all he did was reiterate that he had no plans to increase GST. Didn't mention 1 term, 2,3,


Yes when asked if his commitment covered only one term or more he continued to reiterate no increase in the GST.

And is Abbott still PM? Can't a new leader have a new policy?

I would think a government are locked into the policies that they promised in the election campaign irrespective of how they shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic.
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Reply #48 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:20pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:06pm:
I would think a government are locked into the policies that they promised in the election campaign irrespective of how they shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic.
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So nothing like the change between Rudd and Gillard on the CPRS and the Clean Energy Bill?
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Reply #49 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 3:06pm:
I would think a government are locked into the policies that they promised in the election campaign irrespective of how they shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic.
Posted by: lee  Mark & Quote Quote      



So nothing like the change between Rudd and Gillard on the CPRS and the Clean Energy Bill?


I would need your spin on those things to see what you are talking about.
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Reply #50 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:12pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
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CPRS was to start with $10/tonne. The Clean Energy Bill started at $23/tonne.
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Reply #51 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:22pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:12pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm:
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CPRS was to start with $10/tonne. The Clean Energy Bill started at $23/tonne.


Are they not 2 completely different policies several years an election and broken promise apart ?

I don't see any connection between the two options the first was a trading scheme sunk by the Liberals in conjunction with the greens and the Clean energy bill was the result of a deal done with the greens following the 2010 election for a fixed price scheme. Two completely different mechanisms.
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Reply #52 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:52pm
 
Well perhaps you like better MRRT1 and MRRT2?

Then of course the about turn on asylum seekers - East Timor and Malaysia Solutions.

Different policies from different leaders.
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Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Reply #53 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:15pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:56am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:33am:
The Liberals 2013 election commitment was that there would not be.



Will the 2016 liberal election commitment be the same?

Are you saying politicians should never change their minds?

How about KRudd's "root and branch" Henry Tax Review? Oh, don't look at GST, it is merely a twig on the branch?


Not to mention that of the 120+ recommendations, Labor took heed of just 4 minor ones and ignored the rest.

If you want tax reform you need a party with comittment to principle. Labor doesnt do that very well and Rudd was perhaps the worst of all time.
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Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Reply #54 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:17pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:19am:
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:56am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 9:33am:
The Liberals 2013 election commitment was that there would not be.



Will the 2016 liberal election commitment be the same?

Are you saying politicians should never change their minds?

How about KRudd's "root and branch" Henry Tax Review? Oh, don't look at GST, it is merely a twig on the branch?


Are you saying politicians should never change their minds?

There is a significant difference between a change of mind and the expedient change of what they say.

The Liberals didn't change their mind they lied in order to improve their election chances, had they changed their mind it would have taken longer than a few days or weeks following the election.

When Abbott committed to not changing the GST and was asked if it referred to this term he kept repeating no change to the GST.

Abbott had committed to not changing the GST for more than 1 term in the leaders debate.



How exactly to you say that with a straight face after the EXPEDIENT Gillard carbon tax promise breach - and not years after the election but THREE DAYS.

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Reply #55 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:23pm
 
We've been over that a zillion times and I'm not coming into the obvious comparison with Abbot.

I simply ask this.  Is it better to break a promise three, or four days after an election?  What is the time lapse at which it is acceptable, melielongtime?
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Reply #56 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:28pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
I simply ask this.  Is it better to break a promise three, or four days after an election?  What is the time lapse at which it is acceptable, melielongtime?



Or go to an election, and possibly, with an increase the GST mooted. Wow. Let me think about that.
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Re: Gagging Labor's Membership On GST
Reply #57 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:37pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
We've been over that a zillion times and I'm not coming into the obvious comparison with Abbot.

I simply ask this.  Is it better to break a promise three, or four days after an election?  What is the time lapse at which it is acceptable, melielongtime?


THREE DAYS makes it rather obvious that the original promise was bogus - a lie if you will. It was a promise made with zero intention of being fulfilled. Two years down the track you can make all kind of explanations eg changed circumstances, but what changes over a weekend to cause a major policy breach? NOTHING.

Gillard lied and it destroyed her government.
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Reply #58 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:39pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
I simply ask this.  Is it better to break a promise three, or four days after an election?  What is the time lapse at which it is acceptable, melielongtime?



Or go to an election, and possibly, with an increase the GST mooted. Wow. Let me think about that.


I think that most people would consider that ANY policy, if taken to an election is a reasonable and responsible decision. If not, why do we have elections?
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Reply #59 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:41pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
We've been over that a zillion times and I'm not coming into the obvious comparison with Abbot.

I simply ask this.  Is it better to break a promise three, or four days after an election?  What is the time lapse at which it is acceptable, melielongtime?


THREE DAYS makes it rather obvious that the original promise was bogus - a lie if you will. It was a promise made with zero intention of being fulfilled. Two years down the track you can make all kind of explanations eg changed circumstances, but what changes over a weekend to cause a major policy breach? NOTHING.

Gillard lied and it destroyed her government.


You are kidding me.  Perhaps you ought re-think that.
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