MUSLIMS DEMAND Cross Be Removed From The Swiss Flag Because They “Find It Offensive”

Current Swiss flag

New Swiss flag proposed by Swiss Muslim community

Poqari  The Muslim group behind this demand known as the “Secondos,”  began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims.

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum.

Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.”

Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely because it is inviting for all to want to be involved…even the immigrants.”

Stefan Brupbacher, general secretary of the libertarian Free Democrats (FDP) said: “This is utter nonsense. The Swiss cross is an extremely successful and valuable global brand. It is a symbol of success and quality. We will tightly hold on to it, out of love for Switzerland.”


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2449/immigrants-swiss-flag-cross

http://shoebat.com/2016/01/17/muslims-demand-cross-be-removed-from-the-swiss-fla...

This is just the beginning athos.
As always, the first stage is denial.

This Islamophobe "story" is at least 5 years old.

From 2011:

"Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist.

"Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead.

"Petrusic says he himself is Christian, but he does not think a Christian symbol should be used in a country with so many atheists and people who profess other religions. He says the cross does not represent the religious and cultural diversity in Switzerland today."

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

If you're going to post Islamophobe propaganda, at least get your facts straight and try to get something a little more up-to-date (2011, really?)

It's like you Islamophobes just aren't trying anymore.

athos wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:52am:


Nice picture, Athos. Where's it from? What country are they in?

And what's their reason for burning what appears to be a Swiss flag, but is clearly not?

athos wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:58am:


A funny picture, eh Athos? That could work.

For the time it takes to do a Google search.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist."

"The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and has added fuel to anti-Muslim sentiments in Switzerland, especially since many people have mistaken Petrusic for a Muslim."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:11am:


Particularly as:

Quote:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:15am:


I think we've lost poor old Athos. Maybe he ran out of pictures.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17am:


I did ask that, Homo. Athos wouldn't say.

Check it out though - it's a white crucifix on a red background. It's not a Swiss flag.

Why are they arseholes?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

You need to look up what the Swiss flag looks like sugar muffin. It's a white cross sitting in the middle of a red flag. Just like the one being burnt.

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist."



Ban the terrorists

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:26am:


you need glasses .. the flag being burnt has the cross to one side, not in the middle 

"The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by ...

" ... a Christian multi-culturalist."

In 2011.

PICTURED: Muslims In Switzerland Burn Swiss Flag, Demand Cross Be Removed From The Flag

 January 6, 2016 talkglitz  1 Comment Muslims Switzerland, Protest, Swiss Flag


Muslims in Switzerland are demanding that the white cross be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it “no longer corresponds to today’s multicultural Switzerland.”

The Muslim group behind this idiotic demand known as the “Secondos,” began a nationwide campaign in October to urge Swiss citizens to change the flag to something that is “less offensive” to Muslims.

muslims-burn-swiss-flag

Gatestone Institute reports:

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland.



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Sylvia Flückiger a councillor with the conservative Swiss People’s Party (SVP) said the demands are: “Totally unacceptable. With our Swiss flag there is nothing to change. The next thing you know, they will demand even more, that we change our constitution.”

Marianne Binder, spokeswoman for the center-right Christian Democrats (CVP) said: “This is just what was missing, that we need to change our flag. The Swiss flag is part of Swiss identity, precisely

They burnt a Swedish flag as well. Look it up if you dare do-gooders.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:33am:
type in muslims burn swiss flag on google.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:36am:


No, I'd like a direct link to your site, Homo. That's the way we check things.

If you don't want me to look, no worries.

I believe this is old footage after looking it up. It looks like the Swiss flag though.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:46am:
It's from a anti Christian demo in some f arked up Muslim country around 2008. They probably burnt the swiss flag because of the Christian cross on it.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:


It's pretty obvious, Homo.

Because it's the Danish flag.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:


The story in the OP is not true.

It was a Christian who suggested that the cross be removed.

And, it happened back in 2011.

Moreover, the flag burning photo is not related: that's a Danish flag (from 2008, in Pakistan).

You've been had, my boy.

How does it feel?

666

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:


JS has already told you. The Swiss flag is an equal-armed cross at the centre of a red flag. Athos' picture is a white crucifix against a red background. You can see this. They're holding the flag up.

Your analysis could well be correct: they're burning the image of a crucifix. My bet is there's more to it than that. That flag represents something or someone - someone who has annoyed the Muslims in the picture. But we know it's not a Swiss flag.

We had this discussion when the article came out in 2011, which is why this is so tedious. We apologists have to keep coming out to rebut the same krap, time and time again. Can't they, as Greggery says, at least make up something new?

The story itself makes no sense. Why would immigrant Muslims complain about a flag? It's as ridiculous as the Muslims-destroying-Christmas porkie. Immigrants don't protest against the culture and traditions of their host countries. This would only make them look bad. Muslims don't protest against Christian symbols. Their own religion accommodates Christianity. The Quran advises readers to keep faith with Christians, or "people of the book", the Bible. Muslims see themselves as part of the same monotheistic tradition. Christ is a Muslim prophet. Christmas is celebrated as a public holiday in all the big Muslim countries - Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia. There are Christmas decorations galore.

So armed with this information, why would anyone assert that Muslims rail against Christian symbols, particularly in the host countries they've immigrated to? The idea is ludicrous, so it should be clear that any allegations of Muslims trying to ban Christian symbols on national flags is ridiculous. And if that's not good enough, we have the words of Muslim leaders themselves, who must get sick of repeatedly coming out to rebut this krap:

Quote:


This is all part of a systematic propaganda campaign against Muslims. I'd be fine with that if the information presented was actually true. As an apologist, I have no loyalty either way. I'm not Muslim, or Christian, or Swiss. I'm just a shameless apologist for facts.

Post something true and I'll make my judgment based on that. Put up krap, and I'll feel compelled to question it, anti-Islam porkies or not. It just so happens that today, all the krap is about Islam. I'm so used to this I sometimes question things that turn out to be true. The boy who cried wolf myth describes this situation well.

Ever get the felling you're being cheated? I do. Continually.

If you don't, and you're as happy as a pig in sh!t believing any old krap put to you, no worries. Your views are formed by lies, so don't expect anyone to take you seriously. There are a number posters here who believe in the use of lies as a campaign against Muslims. FD is one. Unfortunately, because of this, those posters have no credibility. No matter how much they write, few believe it. Worse, much of what they write goes unread.

This debate is not about Islam versus the West, it's about lies versus truth. The opening post in this thread makes that all too clear. This is a systematic program of misinformation waged to trick people into following a particular agenda. It's not new, of course, but the technology has expanded. When lies were spread by pamphleteers, they didn't reach millions of people in seconds. This has led to various forms of mass hysteria. None of it is useful. How can an attitude or belief be useful if it's based on a lie?

As Bush said, you are either with us, or you're with the terrorists. It's up to you which side you want to be on.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:


Ah - of course. The old Danish cartoon story. We should have known it was the Danish flag - the old boy will be most cranky.

More than usual, anyway.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:
DANISH FLAG!!!!

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:
They beat Pakis.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:50pm:


Correct.

It's the Danish flag.

Quote:


They have a green flag, dear. Instead of a crucifix, they have the star and crescent.

It's an easy mistake to make. It's quite common to confuse Pakis. Take your neighbour. He's just a generic tinted person you've confused for a Paki.

Sure, you had to make up stories about presents of goat meat and his wife wearing a burqa to do the gardening, so it's easy to see how you mixed things up.

double plus good wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:


Indeed.

And the flag in that photo is the Danish flag.

Pakistan, 2008.

Over some silly cartoon.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:
It's alright. Heavy opinionated leftist upstarts like you and pecca always travel  in schools. I'm used to it. I prefer to be my own man.

I'm expecting FD to swoop in here any moment and start nitpicking something greg or Karnal said - and completely ignore the fact that the entire thread is based on a bald-faced lie - and moreover refuse to acknowledge any issue at all with the anti-Islam campaign being so heavily reliant on porkies like this.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:


Now now, G, that’s a bit unfair.

I’m expecting FD to read my posts as supporting the propagation of porkie pies and demand that you quote the posts - in the correct sequence - so that he can read them properly.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:


Is that you, Mistie?

I know we’ve mercilessly bullied Homo here, but we didn’t mean to trigger your catatonia.

So unfair.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

I wish I was doc, Karnal. I'd be ever so smart and I'd have a phd from a university. Founded online.  Never accredited. But that's thanks to the left because the university didn't wish to teach me socialism.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

You can thank progressivism for it all, Karnal.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:


Progressives. It's all progressives fault.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:50am:


link

athos wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:


Interesting.

If the native Britisher wants to change things then the place to do it is at the election polling booths.

Not once over the past 60 years have the British voted in a party whose platform is to restore Britain to the native Britisher through programs of enforced assimilation, deportations, limitations upon mosque numbers, stopping all further Muslim immigration, financial incentives to pay Muslims to leave, the disbanding of Muslim schools, etc etc.

At the last election the public didn't even vote Nigel Farage's UKIP party to win more than just one lonely MP's seat in parliament.

Pathetic.

The Muslim situation in Britain is entirely the British voters own fault. 60 goddamn years to wake up to what was happening to them through Muslim and Black immigration.

They deserve the angst and the pain they're feeling now.

It's WAY too late to start shouting in the streets about whole neighbourhoods now being under the control of hostile Muslims.

And then again these groups are protesting in the wrong places.

The ONLY proper place to hold rallies and demonstrations is outside the British Houses of Parliament and Number 10 Downing street.

That's where the REAL culprits are - Not the bearded Muslims selling fruit and vegetables in their little shops in the High Streets throughout the UK.



 

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:


No answer, Athos?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:
good propoganda. Goebbels could take lessons from you. The story isnt a hoax. The headline may or may not be inaccurate.

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:23pm:


You’ve got another one, Athos. Should we keep pretending, or do you want to come kleen?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

the story wasnt misrepresented.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:


It's not because of that.

It's because more space is needed due to the sheer volume of material that emerges from across the world daily, about Muslims Behaving Badly.

A veritable dump-truck of Muslim Mischief turns up daily in the uncensored media that is still left to us.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:21am:


None.

For someone who wants to keep things honest, Herbie, you seem quite happy to propagate a lie.

Can I suggest something? In future, check the source of the article. Check the evidence. If there's no facts or names in the article, there's a good chance it's a hoax. If there's no actual facts, there's a good chance it's just fiction fabricated in Fleet street by an ambitious journalist working for the UK Daily Mail.

Chattering away about krap is exactly what they want you to do.

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:


Oh, it certainly was.

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:


No.

It was very good advice.

You're just pissed off because you got sucked in by yet another piece of Islamophobic propaganda.

I'm guessing it won't be the last time, though.

ian wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:



Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 12:09pm:
it's that time of the month.

http://www.secondos-plus.ch/

Karnal caught lying again.

Muslims didn't demand that the cross be removed from the Swiss flag.

A Christian suggested it.

That's all.

In 2011.