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Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:46pm
 
This from the BBC today:

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has warned that Europe's migration crisis is putting the EU at grave risk.

1. Mr Valls told the BBC Europe could not take all the refugees fleeing what he called terrible wars in Iraq or Syria.
"Otherwise," he said, "our societies will be totally destabilised."

2. Mr Valls also said that France would seek to keep its current state of emergency until a "total and global war" against so-called Islamic State (IS) was over.
The measures were introduced after the IS-led Paris attacks on 13 November and then extended for three months.

3. Mr Valls was speaking to Lyse Doucet, the BBC's chief international correspondent, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
Europe, he said, needed to take urgent action to control its external borders.
"If Europe is not capable of protecting its own borders, it's the very idea of Europe that will be questioned."

4. He added: "We know clearly that after the Cologne incidents that with the continuous flow, not only to Germany but the countries of Northern Europe, Austria, the Balkans are confronted with this influx, that's why we need to find practical solutions for our borders."
Mr Valls was referring to attacks in the German city on New Year's Eve - largely attributed to foreigners - that have sparked 800 complaints, 520 of them relating to sexual crimes.


I say starting to wise up. He still backs the idea that defeating ISIS will solve the problem. That is about as believable as the prospect of peace in the Middle East.

Its a shame he didn't see the problem a year ago. It was pretty obvious. But if he posted these opinion here today, he would be labeled a Nazi and an Islamophobe by those who pretend to care about people.

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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:57pm
 
I think they have certainly bitten off more than they can chew. Mass migrations of people have always caused destabilisation of the local status quo. It has not been a measured policy.

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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:24pm
 
The Mussies have invaded Europe.

No one wants them.
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Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 10:16pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:46pm:
This from the BBC today:

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has warned that Europe's migration crisis is putting the EU at grave risk.

1. Mr Valls told the BBC Europe could not take all the refugees fleeing what he called terrible wars in Iraq or Syria.
"Otherwise," he said, "our societies will be totally destabilised."

2. Mr Valls also said that France would seek to keep its current state of emergency until a "total and global war" against so-called Islamic State (IS) was over.
The measures were introduced after the IS-led Paris attacks on 13 November and then extended for three months.

3. Mr Valls was speaking to Lyse Doucet, the BBC's chief international correspondent, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
Europe, he said, needed to take urgent action to control its external borders.
"If Europe is not capable of protecting its own borders, it's the very idea of Europe that will be questioned."

4. He added: "We know clearly that after the Cologne incidents that with the continuous flow, not only to Germany but the countries of Northern Europe, Austria, the Balkans are confronted with this influx, that's why we need to find practical solutions for our borders."
Mr Valls was referring to attacks in the German city on New Year's Eve - largely attributed to foreigners - that have sparked 800 complaints, 520 of them relating to sexual crimes.


I say starting to wise up. He still backs the idea that defeating ISIS will solve the problem. That is about as believable as the prospect of peace in the Middle East.

Its a shame he didn't see the problem a year ago. It was pretty obvious. But if he posted these opinion here today, he would be labeled a Nazi and an Islamophobe by those who pretend to care about people.



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Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 6:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:24pm:
The Mussies have invaded Europe.

No one wants them.


Premier Mike Baird of NSW wants them.

He's made a pre-Australia Day speech in which he wags a scolding finger at anyone who doesn't want Muslims to migrate here. He includes leading politicians in Europe, and the US's Donald Trump for his verbal bashing.

Who the hell does this stuffed-shirt righteous little prick think he is to lecture us on the matter of choosing in a democracy what sort of people we don't want as our neighbours?

"New South Wales Premier Mike Baird says Australia has reached a fork in the road in its refugee policy and will be denying its history if it closes the door on new arrivals.

"To shut our doors to refugees, as many here and around the world are calling for, is to deny our history, to deny our character.

"In a quest for personal comfort let us not sacrifice who we are above all, which is welcoming, compassionate and inclusive."


What a wånker -- what a Luvvy.

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Reply #5 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 6:52am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 6:41am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:24pm:
The Mussies have invaded Europe.

No one wants them.


Premier Mike Baird of NSW wants them.

He's made a pre-Australia Day speech in which he wags a scolding finger at anyone who doesn't want Muslims to migrate here. He includes leading politicians in Europe, and the US's Donald Trump for his verbal bashing.

Who the hell does this stuffed-shirt righteous little prick think he is to lecture us on the matter of choosing in a democracy what sort of people we don't want as our neighbours?

"New South Wales Premier Mike Baird says Australia has reached a fork in the road in its refugee policy and will be denying its history if it closes the door on new arrivals.

"To shut our doors to refugees, as many here and around the world are calling for, is to deny our history, to deny our character.

"In a quest for personal comfort let us not sacrifice who we are above all, which is welcoming, compassionate and inclusive."


What a wånker -- what a Luvvy.

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You can choose your own neighbour.  But in a democracy you can't tell me who I get to choose as my neighbours.

And Baird is right.  Stop trying to destroy our cultures and values.
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Reply #6 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 7:34am
 
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I'm not too sure these soldiers died so that mosques could be built all over Australia.
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Reply #7 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 7:39am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 7:34am:
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I'm not too sure these soldiers died so that mosques could be built all over Australia.

Actually that's exactly what they died for: for freedom.  People building a religious centre for their religion, as dumb as this may be, is part of freedom.

But I stand with you in wishing people stopped building this type of sh1t. No mosques. No temples. No churches. No synagogues. It's all bullcrap that takes up valuable land that can be used for actual meaningful things.  We should convert all these religious buildings into big swinger bars. That'll teach em.
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Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:45am
 
Freedom, my ass. They died to protect the Suez Canal which was strategic to the British Empire. I admire their courage, but they went because duty called, and secondly, to prove what Australians were made of.
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Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:51am
 
There wouldn't have been a soldier, sailor, or airman who went to war hoping that one day their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren would grow up in suburbs where the majority of residents are non-White, Third World, and mosque-builders all glorifying under a non-assimilationist policy of Multi-Nationalism.

They didn't fight for some vague and fuzzy notions of 'freedom' - They wanted to preserve the white European demographics of the Australia they had grown up in as a legacy to be passed on to their future progeny.



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Reply #10 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 12:51pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:51am:
There wouldn't have been a soldier, sailor, or airman who went to war hoping that one day their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren would grow up in suburbs where the majority of residents are non-White, Third World, and mosque-builders all glorifying under a non-assimilationist policy of Multi-Nationalism.

They didn't fight for some vague and fuzzy notions of 'freedom' - They wanted to preserve the white European demographics of the Australia they had grown up in as a legacy to be passed on to their future progeny.


Herb, I presume we are talking about the Anzacs who went off to WW1. I don't get where the demographic of Australia comes in. That demographic was never threatened by Imperial Germany or the vanity of the Kaiser's field marshals. A generation of German aristocrats had grown up tales of thumping the French in short summer campaigns. This was bolstered by antagonism toward British industrial export hegemony and envy of Empire.

If German had defeated France in 1914, they would not have imposed a new order on the French or anyone else. A new generation of German militarists wanted to live up to the success of the Prussian forbears of 1870. Once Britain went to the aid of France, the dominions and colonies did what they saw as their duty. They did not fight to preserve their rights or racial make-up.
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Reply #11 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:19pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 7:34am:
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I'm not too sure these soldiers died so that mosques could be built all over Australia.


I am. One of the values fought for in both wars was the freedom to practice your religion without persecution.

For Irish Catholics especially, this was a value worth fighting for, even if the British Empire wasn’t.

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 12:51pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:51am:
There wouldn't have been a soldier, sailor, or airman who went to war hoping that one day their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren would grow up in suburbs where the majority of residents are non-White, Third World, and mosque-builders all glorifying under a non-assimilationist policy of Multi-Nationalism.

They didn't fight for some vague and fuzzy notions of 'freedom' - They wanted to preserve the white European demographics of the Australia they had grown up in as a legacy to be passed on to their future progeny.


Herb, I presume we are talking about the Anzacs who went off to WW1. I don't get where the demographic of Australia comes in. That demographic was never threatened by Imperial Germany or the vanity of the Kaiser's field marshals. A generation of German aristocrats had grown up tales of thumping the French in short summer campaigns. This was bolstered by antagonism toward British industrial export hegemony and envy of Empire.

If German had defeated France in 1914, they would not have imposed a new order on the French or anyone else. A new generation of German militarists wanted to live up to the success of the Prussian forbears of 1870. Once Britain went to the aid of France, the dominions and colonies did what they saw as their duty. They did not fight to preserve their rights or racial make-up.


Correct - they went off to the First World War from Australia because a great many of them were in fact British immigrants who were experiencing mass unemployment because of the jobs situation at the time, with many of the Aussie country lads joining up for a bit of a lark with their mates.

Despite the official propaganda almost none of these men enlisted because of noble sentiments about fighting for God, the King, and the British Empire. It was a lark and a caper with travel and Parisian brothels as the main attraction.

A Boys' Own Adventure.

My cousin was one of these poor, naive Unfortunates who didn't have the vaguest idea of what he was volunteering for. He died in Belgium in 1917. A school in southern NSW has a plaque with his name on it.
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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:55pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:19pm:
I am. One of the values fought for in both wars was the freedom to practice your religion without persecution.


Rabid nonsense. (Have you had your shots yet? Do you panic when you see water?)

Religion had absolutely nothing to do with either of these wars.

A few migrants populating our suburbs - yes. Very welcome. But when it comes to a situation of Critical Mass where you can walk through whole Sydney suburbs and by the demographics not have a blind clue what country you are in if you didn't already know - then that's WAAAAAAY past the immigration's Use By Date with bringing in Third Worlders, Blacks, and Muslims.

In my humble opinion.

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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 4:34pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:55pm:
Melanias purse wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:19pm:
I am. One of the values fought for in both wars was the freedom to practice your religion without persecution.


Rabid nonsense. (Have you had your shots yet? Do you panic when you see water?)

Religion had absolutely nothing to do with either of these wars.



Oh, indeed. Irish Catholics opposed conscription during WWI. Plenty were imprisoned.

As for the Jews, well. Non-religious Jews were put into the ovens with the Jehova Witnesses, Quakers and even God-fearing Lutherans who tried to follow the example set by their prophet.

Still, I tend to agree. Religion did have nothing to do with these wars.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:55pm:
In my humble opinion.


And a very humble opinion it is too.
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