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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22976 ACT Gender:	Re: Student Paid Less As She Is Non Australian Reply #15 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:46am Well done Sir Crook the conscience of OzPolitics.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Student Paid Less As She Is Non Australian Reply #16 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:33am Well done Sir Crook the conscience Lefty-bot of OzPolitics ......and what's the go here Crook? Schizophrenia?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150345 Gender:	Re: Student Paid Less As She Is Non Australian Reply #17 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:46am "She said the owner, Jeffrey Herscu, had "made it clear" this was because she was from overseas." Bastard. I hope he goes out of business and ends up homeless.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 22976 ACT Gender:	Re: Student Paid Less As She Is Non Australian Reply #18 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:49am Swagman wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:33am: Well done Sir Crook the conscience Lefty-bot of OzPolitics ......and what's the go here Crook? Schizophrenia? http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/twins.jpg Let him work it out for himself Sir Crook, he doesnt have much else to do!
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macman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2435 australia Gender:	Re: Student Paid Less As She Is Non Australian Reply #19 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:32am He does seem to spend a lot of time on this forum. Maybe the FWO should pop down to Dapto to see that swags employer is getting fair value.
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Reply #20 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 1:43pm

macman wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

He does seem to spend a lot of time on this forum. Maybe the FWO should pop down to Dapto to see that swags employer is getting fair value. Cheesy

Happy to discuss politics with BSPS anytime as long as they bring their corporate card, maybe over a long lunch and a leisurely 18 at the Grange ....

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Reply #21 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

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After intervention by the Fair Work Ombudsman, Mr Herscu's Rapid City Pty Ltd, which runs Health Express, has agreed to back-pay $50,000 to his former employees.

Mr Herscu signed an "enforceable undertaking", seen by Fairfax Media, in which he agreed to apologise for the conduct and make a $5000 donation to the Western Community Legal Centre to help protect the workplace rights of vulnerable employees.

This is why this abuse is widespread. The penalties are far too light. Just pay them back pay when caught and make a modest donation? That's a slap on the wrist. With such light penalties, we can be sure that this is just scratching the surface.

Fairer penalties should be triple the amount involved as a fine, and 10 times the amount involved for wilful breaches.

No one is going to win if the business goes broke over it.

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Reply #22 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:25am

ian wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

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After intervention by the Fair Work Ombudsman, Mr Herscu's Rapid City Pty Ltd, which runs Health Express, has agreed to back-pay $50,000 to his former employees.

Mr Herscu signed an "enforceable undertaking", seen by Fairfax Media, in which he agreed to apologise for the conduct and make a $5000 donation to the Western Community Legal Centre to help protect the workplace rights of vulnerable employees.

This is why this abuse is widespread. The penalties are far too light. Just pay them back pay when caught and make a modest donation? That's a slap on the wrist. With such light penalties, we can be sure that this is just scratching the surface.

Fairer penalties should be triple the amount involved as a fine, and 10 times the amount involved for wilful breaches.

No one is going to win if the business goes broke over it.

The business won't go broke by paying the staff properly.

If a business has to underpay staff to break even, that business is in trouble and will be the first against the wall when the next recession comes, if it survives that long.

Badly-run businesses go under all the time. I don't see why we should be propping up bad businesses. If the business is bad, it should be allowed to go under.

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Reply #23 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am

Swagman wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 6:52am:

Good to see the FW Ombudsman working.

Who needs unions when we've got the FW Ombudsman?

Unions do more than just this... go look it up yourself.

Businesses that can't manage wages shouldn't be run. It should replaced by people who do know how to run businesses to a profit.

Otherwise might as well go back to the days of slavery where workers don't get paid at all (except food maybe).

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Student Paid Less As She Is Non Australian Reply #24 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:56pm stunspore wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am: Otherwise might as well go back to the days of slavery We're still there Comrade. It's called progressive taxation.
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Reply #25 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:22pm

Bam wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:25am:

ian wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

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After intervention by the Fair Work Ombudsman, Mr Herscu's Rapid City Pty Ltd, which runs Health Express, has agreed to back-pay $50,000 to his former employees.

Mr Herscu signed an "enforceable undertaking", seen by Fairfax Media, in which he agreed to apologise for the conduct and make a $5000 donation to the Western Community Legal Centre to help protect the workplace rights of vulnerable employees.

This is why this abuse is widespread. The penalties are far too light. Just pay them back pay when caught and make a modest donation? That's a slap on the wrist. With such light penalties, we can be sure that this is just scratching the surface.

Fairer penalties should be triple the amount involved as a fine, and 10 times the amount involved for wilful breaches.

No one is going to win if the business goes broke over it.

The business won't go broke by paying the staff properly.

If a business has to underpay staff to break even, that business is in trouble and will be the first against the wall when the next recession comes, if it survives that long.

Badly-run businesses go under all the time. I don't see why we should be propping up bad businesses. If the business is bad, it should be allowed to go under.

My comment was related to your request for exorbitant penalties , Dufus.

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Reply #26 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:02pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

Otherwise might as well go back to the days of slavery

We're still there Comrade. It's called progressive taxation.

Although you keep saying it, progressive taxation is not slavery. Slavery has a much tighter definition. Working rich is much better than working poor - which as a lib supporter I'm sure you are aiming for the lowly paid workers.

Sorry Swag, at some point another person from your party can surely untwist your twisted logic there about progressive taxation.

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Reply #27 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:36pm

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:25am:

ian wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:05am:

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After intervention by the Fair Work Ombudsman, Mr Herscu's Rapid City Pty Ltd, which runs Health Express, has agreed to back-pay $50,000 to his former employees.

Mr Herscu signed an "enforceable undertaking", seen by Fairfax Media, in which he agreed to apologise for the conduct and make a $5000 donation to the Western Community Legal Centre to help protect the workplace rights of vulnerable employees.

This is why this abuse is widespread. The penalties are far too light. Just pay them back pay when caught and make a modest donation? That's a slap on the wrist. With such light penalties, we can be sure that this is just scratching the surface.

Fairer penalties should be triple the amount involved as a fine, and 10 times the amount involved for wilful breaches.

No one is going to win if the business goes broke over it.

The business won't go broke by paying the staff properly.

If a business has to underpay staff to break even, that business is in trouble and will be the first against the wall when the next recession comes, if it survives that long.

Badly-run businesses go under all the time. I don't see why we should be propping up bad businesses. If the business is bad, it should be allowed to go under.

My comment was related to your request for exorbitant penalties , Dufus.

So why word it so poorly as to be ambiguous? If you can't write clearly, that's not my problem.

Besides, so what if it were? Your argument is incredibly weak. You're acting as if I was proposing ridiculously steep penalties. It's nowhere near as steep as some of the penalties for illegal strike action under current laws.

Perhaps stealing from employees should be treated as a crime and the perpetrators faced maximum jail terms of five years instead? Would you be happy with that?

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Reply #28 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:37pm

stunspore wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

Otherwise might as well go back to the days of slavery

We're still there Comrade. It's called progressive taxation.

Although you keep saying it, progressive taxation is not slavery. Slavery has a much tighter definition. Working rich is much better than working poor - which as a lib supporter I'm sure you are aiming for the lowly paid workers.

Sorry Swag, at some point another person from your party can surely untwist your twisted logic there about progressive taxation.

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