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Reply #120 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:14pm
 
oh dear wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:11pm:
mothra I understand people are bigoted and I accept that bigots are everywhere, I guess its hard for people who aren't discriminated against to understand



Yeah i know. They'll swallow any old swill, so long as it feeds their prejudice.
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Reply #121 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:14pm
 
A fact for you Ian is the Aboriginals would have been very happy for the  white man to not land here
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Reply #122 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:15pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 10:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 9:48pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 9:43pm:
Certainly needs to be sat down a given a no shitter , is this going to turn in to another all muslims are terrorists style of thread from fringe dwelling loonies on the right, ive worked with a few aboriginals and even met their families and this little disrespectful ahole isnt indicative of what ive seen.


I've worked with plenty .... most were pretty good, had one or two just as bad as this kid.  I can say the same about every other race I've worked with.

Both you and suppositry are full of it. Im sure the real estate industry is full of Aboriginal people.
Regardless, if they are the same as any other race in regards to crime then how come the jails are full of them out of all proportion to their numbers?


you really are an id iot aren't you?..... I was referring to my 15 odd yrs of painting for the Dept. of Housing .. ... or are you going to claim there are no abo's in Dept of housing as well? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #123 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:17pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:09pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 10:59pm:
And yet the government apologised for the stolen generation why apologise if you've done nothing wrong?
I didnt say nothing wrong was done, I am saying that the attempt was altruistic. I see you dont have any arguement, just like Mothra. A fool who doesnt educate themselves is destined to remain a fool.




I'm well educated, thank you very much.

I also count Indigenous people amongst my friends. I've listened to their stories.

Beats your trawling through web sites that tell you what you want to hear.

The Stolen Generation is not a myth. They didn't just take mixed blood children. The children taken were wanted by their parents. They were grieved and mourned and sung to. And fought for.

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Reply #124 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:15pm:
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 10:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 9:48pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 9:43pm:
Certainly needs to be sat down a given a no shitter , is this going to turn in to another all muslims are terrorists style of thread from fringe dwelling loonies on the right, ive worked with a few aboriginals and even met their families and this little disrespectful ahole isnt indicative of what ive seen.


I've worked with plenty .... most were pretty good, had one or two just as bad as this kid.  I can say the same about every other race I've worked with.

Both you and suppositry are full of it. Im sure the real estate industry is full of Aboriginal people.
Regardless, if they are the same as any other race in regards to crime then how come the jails are full of them out of all proportion to their numbers?


you really are an id iot aren't you?..... I was referring to my 15 odd yrs of painting for the Dept. of Housing .. ... or are you going to claim there are no abo's in Dept of housing as well? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy




Ian's never met an Aboriginal that he didn't not like.

Even though he says most of them aren't really Aboriginal.

Go figure.
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Reply #125 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:20pm
 
heres some facts. I suggest you read this article in full as it dispells many of the myths regarding the "Stolen generation"
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Read had written that governments removed children as young as possible and reared them in institutions isolated from any contact with Aboriginal culture. "Welfare officers, removing children solely because they were Aboriginal," he said, "intended and arranged that they should lose their Aboriginality, and that they never return home."

The majority were allegedly babies and infants. The SBS television series First Australians claimed most of the 50,000 were aged under five. Henry Reynolds explained the rationale: "The younger the child the better, before habits were formed, attachments made, language learned, traditions absorbed."

It is not difficult to prove these assertions are untrue. When you look at the surviving individual case records in NSW, as I did for the period 1907 to 1932, they reveal that 66 per cent of the 800 children then removed were teenagers aged 13 to 19 years. Some 23 per cent were aged six to 12, and only 10 per cent were babies to five-year-olds.

Most of them came from Aboriginal welfare stations and reserves. Two-thirds of the teenagers went not to institutions but into the workforce as apprentices.

For white children in welfare institutions, apprenticeship was then the standard destination too. At the time, for both white and black children, apprenticeship meant leaving home for four years and living with an employer. The principal occupations targeted by these job placement schemes, agriculture for boys and domestic service for girls, were the same for both black and white apprentices.

In Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory in the first half of the 20th century, laws and policies forbade the removal of full-blood children.


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Only half-caste children could be removed. However, in WA, half-castes could not be removed under the age of six. In the post-war Northern Territory, 80 per cent of children in the Retta Dixon Home in Darwin and almost all those at the St Mary's hostel in Alice Springs (the Territory's sole institutions for part-Aboriginal children) were of school age, between five and 15. This was not surprising since the main reason for these homes' existence was to provide board for children sent by their parents to go to school.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357
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Reply #126 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:21pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:09pm:
I am saying that the attempt was altruistic.


ooh, OK then, why didn't you say so  ... that makes it all better!

The priest buggering the 10 yr old was being altruistic too ... he was trying to exorcise the demons Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #127 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:21pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 10:49pm:
The only children removed were those of mixed race, this was because the full bloods ...


The point where you lost all credibility.

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Reply #128 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:22pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:20pm:
heres some facts. I suggest you read this article in full as it dispells many of the myths regarding the "Stolen generation"
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Read had written that governments removed children as young as possible and reared them in institutions isolated from any contact with Aboriginal culture. "Welfare officers, removing children solely because they were Aboriginal," he said, "intended and arranged that they should lose their Aboriginality, and that they never return home."

The majority were allegedly babies and infants. The SBS television series First Australians claimed most of the 50,000 were aged under five. Henry Reynolds explained the rationale: "The younger the child the better, before habits were formed, attachments made, language learned, traditions absorbed."

It is not difficult to prove these assertions are untrue. When you look at the surviving individual case records in NSW, as I did for the period 1907 to 1932, they reveal that 66 per cent of the 800 children then removed were teenagers aged 13 to 19 years. Some 23 per cent were aged six to 12, and only 10 per cent were babies to five-year-olds.

Most of them came from Aboriginal welfare stations and reserves. Two-thirds of the teenagers went not to institutions but into the workforce as apprentices.

For white children in welfare institutions, apprenticeship was then the standard destination too. At the time, for both white and black children, apprenticeship meant leaving home for four years and living with an employer. The principal occupations targeted by these job placement schemes, agriculture for boys and domestic service for girls, were the same for both black and white apprentices.

In Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory in the first half of the 20th century, laws and policies forbade the removal of full-blood children.


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Only half-caste children could be removed. However, in WA, half-castes could not be removed under the age of six. In the post-war Northern Territory, 80 per cent of children in the Retta Dixon Home in Darwin and almost all those at the St Mary's hostel in Alice Springs (the Territory's sole institutions for part-Aboriginal children) were of school age, between five and 15. This was not surprising since the main reason for these homes' existence was to provide board for children sent by their parents to go to school.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357




I notice you're missing NSW, Tassie and Victoria from there ... why is that?
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Re: Police discrimination against aborigines
Reply #129 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:22pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:17pm:
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:09pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 10:59pm:
And yet the government apologised for the stolen generation why apologise if you've done nothing wrong?
I didnt say nothing wrong was done, I am saying that the attempt was altruistic. I see you dont have any arguement, just like Mothra. A fool who doesnt educate themselves is destined to remain a fool.




I'm well educated, thank you very much.

I also count Indigenous people amongst my friends. I've listened to their stories.

Beats your trawling through web sites that tell you what you want to hear.

The Stolen Generation is not a myth. They didn't just take mixed blood children. The children taken were wanted by their parents. They were grieved and mourned and sung to. And fought for.

I dont need web sites Mothra.
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Reply #130 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:22pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:20pm:
heres some facts. I suggest you read this article in full as it dispells many of the myths regarding the "Stolen generation"
Quote:
Read had written that governments removed children as young as possible and reared them in institutions isolated from any contact with Aboriginal culture. "Welfare officers, removing children solely because they were Aboriginal," he said, "intended and arranged that they should lose their Aboriginality, and that they never return home."

The majority were allegedly babies and infants. The SBS television series First Australians claimed most of the 50,000 were aged under five. Henry Reynolds explained the rationale: "The younger the child the better, before habits were formed, attachments made, language learned, traditions absorbed."

It is not difficult to prove these assertions are untrue. When you look at the surviving individual case records in NSW, as I did for the period 1907 to 1932, they reveal that 66 per cent of the 800 children then removed were teenagers aged 13 to 19 years. Some 23 per cent were aged six to 12, and only 10 per cent were babies to five-year-olds.

Most of them came from Aboriginal welfare stations and reserves. Two-thirds of the teenagers went not to institutions but into the workforce as apprentices.

For white children in welfare institutions, apprenticeship was then the standard destination too. At the time, for both white and black children, apprenticeship meant leaving home for four years and living with an employer. The principal occupations targeted by these job placement schemes, agriculture for boys and domestic service for girls, were the same for both black and white apprentices.

In Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory in the first half of the 20th century, laws and policies forbade the removal of full-blood children.


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Only half-caste children could be removed. However, in WA, half-castes could not be removed under the age of six. In the post-war Northern Territory, 80 per cent of children in the Retta Dixon Home in Darwin and almost all those at the St Mary's hostel in Alice Springs (the Territory's sole institutions for part-Aboriginal children) were of school age, between five and 15. This was not surprising since the main reason for these homes' existence was to provide board for children sent by their parents to go to school.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357




Ohhhhh ... the Australian.  Well that trumps all of the eye witness accounts i've heatd.

Are you for real?
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Reply #131 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:23pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:22pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:17pm:
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:09pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 10:59pm:
And yet the government apologised for the stolen generation why apologise if you've done nothing wrong?
I didnt say nothing wrong was done, I am saying that the attempt was altruistic. I see you dont have any arguement, just like Mothra. A fool who doesnt educate themselves is destined to remain a fool.




I'm well educated, thank you very much.

I also count Indigenous people amongst my friends. I've listened to their stories.

Beats your trawling through web sites that tell you what you want to hear.

The Stolen Generation is not a myth. They didn't just take mixed blood children. The children taken were wanted by their parents. They were grieved and mourned and sung to. And fought for.

I dont need web sites Mothra.




Yet you just qioted from the Australian.  Grin
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Reply #132 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:24pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:22pm:
I dont need web sites Mothra.


So why did you post this?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-ab...
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Reply #133 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:26pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:22pm:
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:20pm:
heres some facts. I suggest you read this article in full as it dispells many of the myths regarding the "Stolen generation"
Quote:
Read had written that governments removed children as young as possible and reared them in institutions isolated from any contact with Aboriginal culture. "Welfare officers, removing children solely because they were Aboriginal," he said, "intended and arranged that they should lose their Aboriginality, and that they never return home."

The majority were allegedly babies and infants. The SBS television series First Australians claimed most of the 50,000 were aged under five. Henry Reynolds explained the rationale: "The younger the child the better, before habits were formed, attachments made, language learned, traditions absorbed."

It is not difficult to prove these assertions are untrue. When you look at the surviving individual case records in NSW, as I did for the period 1907 to 1932, they reveal that 66 per cent of the 800 children then removed were teenagers aged 13 to 19 years. Some 23 per cent were aged six to 12, and only 10 per cent were babies to five-year-olds.

Most of them came from Aboriginal welfare stations and reserves. Two-thirds of the teenagers went not to institutions but into the workforce as apprentices.

For white children in welfare institutions, apprenticeship was then the standard destination too. At the time, for both white and black children, apprenticeship meant leaving home for four years and living with an employer. The principal occupations targeted by these job placement schemes, agriculture for boys and domestic service for girls, were the same for both black and white apprentices.

In Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory in the first half of the 20th century, laws and policies forbade the removal of full-blood children.


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Only half-caste children could be removed. However, in WA, half-castes could not be removed under the age of six. In the post-war Northern Territory, 80 per cent of children in the Retta Dixon Home in Darwin and almost all those at the St Mary's hostel in Alice Springs (the Territory's sole institutions for part-Aboriginal children) were of school age, between five and 15. This was not surprising since the main reason for these homes' existence was to provide board for children sent by their parents to go to school.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive-about-the-stolen-generations/story-e6frg6z6-1225824632357




Ohhhhh ... the Australian.  Well that trumps all of the eye witness accounts i've heatd.

Are you for real?
Its all historical record. But how could I guess that you would denigrate the source. Dont like to be proved wrong do you? theres a whole industry based on the so called "stolen generation" that have a vested interest, one worth billions a year in keeping this myth alive.
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Reply #134 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:28pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:26pm:
Its all historical record. But how could I guess that you would denigrate the source. Dont like to be proved wrong do you? theres a whole industry based on the so called "stolen generation" that have a vested interest, one worth billions a year in keeping this myth alive.


This is where you provide evidence ...

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