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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #30 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:49am John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm: or perhaps getting Long service leave while working? No, that's different. why? Govt. pays it. since when was LSL paid by the govt, twit?
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Reply #31 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:47am

All this is nonsense - you either get no PPL - or you get PPL from your employer (who may be the government) - or you get Government PPL. Whichever way it cooks - you only get ONE.

What IS the problem in comprehension here? Not hard at all - NOBODY should get it twice, and if the government as an employer has signed up to such theft from the public pocket - they should be hung, drawn, castrated and quartered.

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Reply #32 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 11:48am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

All this is nonsense - you either get no PPL - or you get PPL from your employer (who may be the government) - or you get Government PPL. Whichever way it cooks - you only get ONE.

What IS the problem in comprehension here? Not hard at all - NOBODY should get it twice, and if the government as an employer has signed up to such theft from the public pocket - they should be hung, drawn, castrated and quartered.

If i decide to give my employees additional PPL then that is my business and the government scheme is additional.

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Reply #33 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

I thought your agument was against double dipping, now it seems you only care when certain people double dip.

Would you be happy with PS choosing which scheme, or demand they take the least benefical?

the concept of 'double-dipping' is taking twice FROM THE SAME SOURCE. I dont care it they get 5 lots of PPL as long as no one is asked to pay TWICE.

So as long as they work in any other government agency besides welfare your OK with it?

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Reply #34 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

or perhaps getting Long service leave while working?

No, that's different.

why? Govt. pays it.

since when was LSL paid by the govt, twit?

Every government employee has LSL paid by his/her employer

I.E the government

Have you been drinking from the same bottle as teaspoon lately?

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Reply #35 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

The lib supporters are really, really strange lot - when they don't understand "double dipping" here.

They are confused about LSL and clearly despite how clearly explained it is to them, they remain strangely ignorant.

The government LSL is to all public - from the poor to the rich.

The LSL paid to an employer via employment is specific to that EBA or contract.

The money comes out of 2 different areas and budgeted accordingly. As for the same "source" argument - that's plain rubbish. It's like buying from woolsworths and expecting to get a refund or exchange at Big W. They are from the same conglomerate (same source) but they are considered 2 different companies. Same with LSL.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #36 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 1:33pm stunspore wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 1:18pm: The government LSL is to all public - from the poor to the rich. That's a strange statement..........even for you
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Reply #37 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:47am:

All this is nonsense - you either get no PPL - or you get PPL from your employer (who may be the government) - or you get Government PPL. Whichever way it cooks - you only get ONE.

What IS the problem in comprehension here? Not hard at all - NOBODY should get it twice, and if the government as an employer has signed up to such theft from the public pocket - they should be hung, drawn, castrated and quartered.

If i decide to give my employees additional PPL then that is my business and the government scheme is additional.

If you choose to pay your employees PPL, then the amount of government PPL should be paid on a diminished basis so as to ensure that no extra is paid out of the public purse. Unless - of course - you are wishing to give your employees free gifts - meaning you would be circumventing the rules...

Simple enough. If you get private, your government allowance is reduced.

This is not an endless pot of gold for some.

Sounds like a good idea the whole deal is stalled until all the bugs are worked out.

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #38 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 3:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

or perhaps getting Long service leave while working?

No, that's different.

why? Govt. pays it.

since when was LSL paid by the govt, twit?

shut up stupid ... you shouldn't talk if you have no idea

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #39 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 3:22pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

or perhaps getting Long service leave while working?

No, that's different.

why? Govt. pays it.

since when was LSL paid by the govt, twit?

Every government employee has LSL paid by his/her employer

I.E the government

Have you been drinking from the same bottle as teaspoon lately?

Not quite what I was referring to. Anyone in the building industry gets paid long service leave by the govt. It's a federal scheme so it won't matter what state you live in.

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Reply #40 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 3:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees?

VERY FEW private sector employees get it as well as PPL. there is only a few. but the poin t is that the government itself is currently paying it twice.

no , no ... you're trying to avoid answering the question by using some lame numbers excuse. You claimed there is no problem with companies paying PPL to someone already claiming it from the govt. as its a company decision but then cry about it when that company if govt. owned?

Grin

quick, put your garter belt back on, you did much better when you were wearing a dress.

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #41 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:47am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees?

...no they shouldn't get extra

If I work for BHP and I am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has no problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

If I work for the Qld police and am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has a problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

double standards don't you think?

BHP is a private company and can do what it wants. the public service does what the government wants.

its simple really.

yes it is simple ... you want double standards just because you're not a public servant. Cheesy

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #42 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 4:02pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

I thought your agument was against double dipping, now it seems you only care when certain people double dip.

Would you be happy with PS choosing which scheme, or demand they take the least benefical?

the concept of 'double-dipping' is taking twice FROM THE SAME SOURCE. I dont care it they get 5 lots of PPL as long as no one is asked to pay TWICE.

So as long as they work in any other government agency besides welfare your OK with it?

at least TRY to understand what is being said. NO government employee should get two lots of PPL. it is our taxes paying for it. if BHP wants to do it that's fine. NOT MY MONEY.

why cant i clam the dole when I am on holidays? SAME THING.

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #43 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 4:03pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

or perhaps getting Long service leave while working?

No, that's different.

why? Govt. pays it.

since when was LSL paid by the govt, twit?

Every government employee has LSL paid by his/her employer

I.E the government

Have you been drinking from the same bottle as teaspoon lately?

he said LSL.... IN GENERAL.

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #44 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 4:05pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:49am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

or perhaps getting Long service leave while working?

No, that's different.

why? Govt. pays it.

since when was LSL paid by the govt, twit?

Every government employee has LSL paid by his/her employer

I.E the government

Have you been drinking from the same bottle as teaspoon lately?

Not quite what I was referring to. Anyone in the building industry gets paid long service leave by the govt. It's a federal scheme so it won't matter what state you live in.

and the funds for this is collected from.... EMPLOYERS.

idiot.

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