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Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge
Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:14pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-12/bill-shorten-challenges-turnbull-to-debate...

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has challenged Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to a public debate on the GST, following indications from New South Wales Labor leader Luke Foley that he may support an increase.

Mr Shorten returned to work today, launching a three-week tour to spruik Federal Labor's opposition to any increases to the GST.

Addressing media in Queanbeyan, NSW, he sidestepped a question as to whether the tour was a scare campaign, instead asking Mr Turnbull to participate in a public debate.

"On the day before Parliament starts this year, at the National Press Club, I'm prepared to debate Malcolm Turnbull about why increasing the GST to 15 per cent in any set of circumstances is a bad idea," he said.

"Now if Malcolm Turnbull is fair dinkum, he'll front up."

The invitation comes just days after Mr Foley said he would consider supporting an increase in the tax, from 10 to 15 per cent, on the condition the funds were used for health and education.

He told Fairfax Media any increase should also include compensation for low-income earners.

Mr Shorten dismissed the comments, saying the states had been "taken hostage" by cuts in the federal budget.

But Mr Shorten's campaign has been labelled as irresponsible by Liberal Cabinet minister Simon Birmingham.

Senator Birmingham said tax reform needed a "sensible and mature" debate.

"Mr Shorten is being grossly irresponsible by ruling out matters in relation to tax reform without giving that comprehensive and sensible look which we are undertaking through the tax reform white paper process," he said.

Mr Turnbull is yet to indicate his position on potential changes to the GST, but Federal Treasurer Scott Morrison has confirmed he will consider giving a share of income tax to the states and territories in return for an increased tax rate.
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Reply #1 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:19pm
 
Shorten & Labor will continue to flail about on a road to nowhere.

Exactly how & why do you think this is a positive for our country?
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Reply #2 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
I would like to see that DEBATE..... not them talking about themselves...

economists asking them questions.??..

I would like to see that...

I cant see any other way for GST to go.. to be honest....an increase has beena  long time coming...we have been pretty lucky.. what with our mining boom and all..but the good times are over... and we need to suck it up and get on with it..stop whinging...its almost 16 years......

and apart from the few who lives were altered beyond repair when it first came in....we are so used to it.. no one knows how much they pay each week in GST Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

we have to grow up.. and realise its the best and most equal way .

no one wants to pay TAX....but then no one wants to go without either...

all it amounts to... is let the user pay????...

if I dont want to  pay gst on a chicken I buy a raw one and cook it myself..... if I cant be bothered I buy a cooked one and pay the service charge....

its all about choices.....

come on Australians wake up.....we pay bugger all by some countries standards..
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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 2:48pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
I would like to see that DEBATE..... not them talking about themselves...

economists asking them questions.??..

I would like to see that...

I cant see any other way for GST to go.. to be honest....an increase has beena  long time coming...we have been pretty lucky.. what with our mining boom and all..but the good times are over... and we need to suck it up and get on with it..stop whinging...its almost 16 years......

and apart from the few who lives were altered beyond repair when it first came in....we are so used to it.. no one knows how much they pay each week in GST Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

we have to grow up.. and realise its the best and most equal way .

no one wants to pay TAX....but then no one wants to go without either...

all it amounts to... is let the user pay????...

if I dont want to  pay gst on a chicken I buy a raw one and cook it myself..... if I cant be bothered I buy a cooked one and pay the service charge....

its all about choices.....

come on Australians wake up.....we pay bugger all by some countries standards..


its almost 16 years

the Libs have been pushing it since 14 years and even 16 is nothing for a tax that we were assured would be sufficient to drive the next century.

Remember the mechanism behind this tax was meant to make it impossible for it to be increased at any time. That was the commitment from the Liberals.

Abbott / Turnbull are the very next Liberal government and they are pissing on Howards guarantee.
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Reply #4 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 2:49pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 2:48pm:
the Libs have been pushing it since 14 years and even 16 is nothing for a tax that we were assured would be sufficient to drive the next century.


Why would the Federal LIBs push for an increase in GST when it does not benefit from it?
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Reply #5 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 2:55pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 2:49pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 2:48pm:
the Libs have been pushing it since 14 years and even 16 is nothing for a tax that we were assured would be sufficient to drive the next century.


Why would the Federal LIBs push for an increase in GST when it does not benefit from it?


If it is a question maybe ask the Liberals ?

If you are inferring that they haven't been pushing for a GST increase than you are probably beyond help.
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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 3:44pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:19pm:
Shorten & Labor will continue to flail about on a road to nowhere.


Exactly how & why do you think this is a positive for our country?


Well, when the MSM gives Labor NO coverage except stupid stories like ridiculing Shorten
for actually being human and dancing with people, and actively promote the idea that Labor
is floundering then, of course, they will.

Our problem is not that we have a bad Opposition, it's that we have a relatively GOOD one
which is simply being deliberately silenced or denigrated by a very BAD media.

And that too many are ignorant or apathetic enough to actually believe that media.
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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 3:55pm
 
Kat wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Well, when the MSM gives Labor NO coverage except stupid stories like ridiculing Shorten
for actually being human and dancing with people, and actively promote the idea that Labor
is floundering then, of course, they will.

Our problem is not that we have a bad Opposition, it's that we have a relatively GOOD one
which is simply being deliberately silenced or denigrated by a very BAD media.

And that too many are ignorant or apathetic enough to actually believe that media.



What are their policies?
What is their vision?

Wong is about the ONLY decent performer & she's in the wrong house.

Wish I could see what you see Kat, perhaps your reply will enlighten me.
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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm
 
So Bill Shorten is back at work, and his first order of business is the GST? What about the victims of the bushfires?
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 3:57pm
 
GET READY FOR THE BACKFLIP  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:03pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:19pm:
Shorten & Labor will continue to flail about on a road to nowhere.

Exactly how & why do you think this is a positive for our country?


ensuring labor remains out of office IS a positive for the country.
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:28pm
 
politicians should debate more often ... not the pre-prepared questions with the scripted answers, but the scruff of the neck debating whereby they explain their positions.

I can see why the libs don't like debates ..... slogans don't work so well when you have to support your arguments
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:38pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:03pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 1:19pm:
Shorten & Labor will continue to flail about on a road to nowhere.

Exactly how & why do you think this is a positive for our country?


ensuring labor remains out of office IS a positive for the country.

everyone loves copper internet : it's official, yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:28pm:
politicians should debate more often ... not the pre-prepared questions with the scripted answers, but the scruff of the neck debating whereby they explain their positions.

I can see why the libs don't like debates ..... slogans don't work so well when you have to support your arguments



opposition leaders love debates. that have everything to gain and little to lose. no one is listening to shorten on any topic and so he wants a platform to speak from. turnball wont give it to him.
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Reply #14 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:58pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 4:28pm:
politicians should debate more often ... not the pre-prepared questions with the scripted answers, but the scruff of the neck debating whereby they explain their positions.

I can see why the libs don't like debates ..... slogans don't work so well when you have to support your arguments



opposition leaders love debates. that have everything to gain and little to lose. no one is listening to shorten on any topic and so he wants a platform to speak from. turnball wont give it to him.


of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned. Either option won't suit Turncoat just yet. He doesn't want to lie because he saw what happened to Abbott when the truth came out, and he doesn't want to tell the truth because he's not ready to announce his plans yet. If he can get away without saying anything, he will.
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