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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice

Many employees are paid hundreds of times and some thousands, some get paid every week ?

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Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 7:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

How odd. Treating employment contract conditions and a government entitlement as the same thing.

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #17 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #18 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:03pm John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm: so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees? ...no they shouldn't get extra
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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #19 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:06pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees?

...no they shouldn't get extra

If I work for BHP and I am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has no problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

If I work for the Qld police and am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has a problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

double standards don't you think?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #20 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:14pm John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:06pm: If I work for BHP and I am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has no problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well Since when? That's like going on holidays and getting paid the dole....
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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #21 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:16pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

If I work for BHP and I am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has no problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

Since when?

That's like going on holidays and getting paid the dole.... Cheesy

since you took up longies argument . ... you should have stopped to take that into consideration before answering for him

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #22 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

If I work for BHP and I am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has no problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

Since when?

That's like going on holidays and getting paid the dole.... Cheesy

or perhaps getting Long service leave while working? Shocked

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #23 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm: or perhaps getting Long service leave while working? No, that's different.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm: or perhaps getting Long service leave while working? No, that's different. why? Govt. pays it.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts Reply #25 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:08pm John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:33pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:20pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:17pm: or perhaps getting Long service leave while working? No, that's different. why? Govt. pays it. ...for BSPSs yes,
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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #26 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:43am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

I thought your agument was against double dipping, now it seems you only care when certain people double dip.

Would you be happy with PS choosing which scheme, or demand they take the least benefical?

the concept of 'double-dipping' is taking twice FROM THE SAME SOURCE. I dont care it they get 5 lots of PPL as long as no one is asked to pay TWICE.

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #27 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:45am

stunspore wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 7:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

How odd. Treating employment contract conditions and a government entitlement as the same thing.

it is simple... remove the employment conditions. the funny thing is if this were a liberal policy that sees someone paid twice for the same thing you would scream murder.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #28 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:46am

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one?

i'd love to see your logic.

Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?

Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.

so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees?

VERY FEW private sector employees get it as well as PPL. there is only a few. but the poin t is that the government itself is currently paying it twice.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #29 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:47am

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:19pm:

so government employees shouldn't be allowed the same rights or benefits as offered to private sector employees?

...no they shouldn't get extra

If I work for BHP and I am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has no problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

If I work for the Qld police and am able to negotiate PPL through my union, the right has a problem with my getting the govt. PPL as well

double standards don't you think?

BHP is a private company and can do what it wants. the public service does what the government wants.

its simple really.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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