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Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:41am
 
Low paid workers $10,000 worse off under Turnbull parental leave cuts: research   Sad

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    January 14, 2016
    Sydney Morning Herald






New parents in low-paid jobs stand to be $10,500 worse off under a Turnbull government paid parental leave plan intended as a compromise on cuts proposed by Tony Abbott, according to new university research.

The research, commissioned by women's group Fair Agenda and conducted by the University of Sydney's Women and Work Research Group, shows mothers who work in healthcare, teaching and retail could lose between $3942 and $10,512 under the compromise policy.   Sad

In the 2015 budget, the Abbott government unveiled changes restricting 80,000 new mothers from "double dipping" by accessing both employer and government parental leave schemes.


Critics say the cuts to paid parental leave will push mothers to return to work too early.

The unpopular proposals were modified by Social Services Minister Christian Porter in December after they were rejected by the Senate crossbench. Under the new version, the weeks of paid leave from the employer are deducted from the government's 18-week scheme.

Under the dumped policy, the cut was based on income - capping the payments at the equivalent of 18 weeks at the national minimum wage.

Fair Agenda said despite the Turnbull compromise, mothers with employer-based schemes will still miss out, with a reduction in the weeks of government-paid leave they can access.

According to the modelling, the worst hit example is a part-time teacher in South Australia, who loses $10,512 in payments.

A mother working in Woolworths in Tasmania, having her first child, loses $3942. A full-time ambulance worker in Queensland is stripped of $9198 and a part-time nurse in Victoria misses out on $6570.

Fair Agenda said the cuts - intended to take effect from July this year - amount to a cut of four to six weeks of average living costs and leave parents with government-provided paid leave for only half the 26 weeks it is recommended they have with their child for health and welfare purposes.

"Paid time at home is vital to making sure working parents can afford to give their baby the best start in life in those precious early months," said Renee Carr, the group's executive director.

"The government want to drastically cut the paid time at home available to 80,000 new parents, leaving many without support after their baby's first 18 weeks."

Carr said women in low incomes are hit especially hard and that the proposals will prove as unpopular as those in former treasurer Joe Hockey's 2015 budget.

The research group predicts changes would prevent women from spending critical time with their new child, increase financial pressure, adversely affect the health and welfare of babies and increase demand on an already strained childcare system.

Professor Marian Baird, co-author of the report, said that any undermining of the "important and positive" PPL system will see new mothers drop out of the workforce or leave their children in care to return to work too early.

A spokesman for Mr Porter told Fairfax Media that the government is "still in good faith negotiations with the crossbench on PPL policy."

"Any analysis is hypothetical as detail of the policy has not yet been announced."

Labor's Jenny Macklin said: "The government's so-called compromise is nothing more than a con and a cut that will leave thousands of new parents worse off.

"The Liberals are still treating new mums like they did in the budget, when Scott Morrison called them rorters and double-dippers.

"These cuts will mean thousands of new mums will be forced to live on less, and spend less time at home with their newborn babies.

"This Liberal Government's record on paid parental leave has been nothing short of atrocious."   Sad
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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:48am
 
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        Nothing changes with this lot, everything stays the same, anyone that votes for these nice people deserves every thing they get   Sad

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        Rusty1
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        January 14, 2016, 8:57AM

        Polished and splendidly suited - Malcolm is still "a sheep in wolves clothing" All spin but nothing has changed. The savage cuts remain - so much for "innovation" Mal.   Sad

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        pavlina31
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        January 14, 2016, 9:11AM

    Sounds like the mean-spiritedness of the LNP toward the poor and toward low salary earners is continuing under Turnbull ...   Sad

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    Bede
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    January 14, 2016, 9:11AM

    Who would have thought? Same old, same old with this ship of fools! Doesn't matter who the captain is.   Sad

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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am
 
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.
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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:56am
 
Would expect nothing more from these ars%^&*&oles! Does not it make abborts scheme look even more stupid than it did now that you can see the real lib ball game, screwing us again as usual. Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
"return to work too early"....

Of course, they could always stay at home permanently.. but nobody wants that.....

If they are in a dual income household, which is most likely the case, they both should be organising their finances better to cater for childing....
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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:35pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.


(slits wrists again)  Twice in a day I agree with Longy.

We keep hearing how we old bastards are unsustainable - that money pot isn't endless, you know, and is not subject to the whim of the 70% of public servants who are women.  they need to man up and take responsibility for their own lives and not expect the public teat to feed them endlessly.

God help us if Labor force 50% on us......
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:44pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.

How about you explain your views on Joe Hockey getting his full parliamentary pension while serving as Ambassador to the USA. Double standards much?
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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:51pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.


Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?
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Re: Worse Off Under Turnbull Parental Leave Cuts
Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.


Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?



Simple answer - if you get one you don't get the other - you get to choose which is better for you....easy as pie.  I don't see why so many make this kind of thing so hard.

Actually - it's because politician's daughters might miss out.... life's tough in the sweet lane.
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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:07pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.

How about you explain your views on Joe Hockey getting his full parliamentary pension while serving as Ambassador to the USA. Double standards much?



the differences are enormous that anyone who wasnt an idiot would work out.  TWO parental leave payments are two lots of UNEARNED FREE MONEY going to parents.  Joe Hockey's pension is something he earned and his other salary is from his current job.

must suck to be as jealous as you!
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:09pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.


Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?


Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.
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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:10pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:07pm:
Joe Hockey's pension is something he earned



that's debatable  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:22pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:53am:
so crook, you think it is fair for ANYONE to double-dip on parental leave? why should public servants get TWO lots of leave when everyone else gets only one? 

i'd love to see your logic.


Why was it only PS?

Many large companies have a PPL schemes, why single out government workers only?


Because it is the GOVERNMENT paying twice for the same person. they only pay once to a private individual. if their company also pays it that is their benefit, but there is no way a government should be paying THEIR employees twice.


I thought your agument was against double dipping, now it seems you only care when certain people double dip.

Would you be happy with PS choosing which scheme, or demand they take the least benefical?
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Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:40pm
 
Who would think that any government could come to power with a promise of implementing a PPL scheme widely agreed to be much too generous to high income earners who in the end not only don't implement their own election commitment on PPL but cut back the current position.
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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:41pm
 
The employer negotiated PPL payments were always designed and intended to sit on top of the government system. It isn't double dipping.
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