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Reply #30 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:55pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:54pm:
Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it.

I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means.


No Bobby, that is too simple. Without debt there can be no immediate finance. Without finance nothing gets built, serviced or procured. The debt levels today, both public and private are entirely serviceable and well within the nation's means.

Do you really expect all expenditures to be met entirely from savings alone.



You are forgetting that the debt money is being spent to pay public servants wages & welfare payments.

It's not being used for infrastructure -
that's why we pay tolls on roads to private business.
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Reply #31 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 8:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:55pm:
crocodile wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:54pm:
Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it.

I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means.


No Bobby, that is too simple. Without debt there can be no immediate finance. Without finance nothing gets built, serviced or procured. The debt levels today, both public and private are entirely serviceable and well within the nation's means.

Do you really expect all expenditures to be met entirely from savings alone.



You are forgetting that the debt money is being spent to pay public servants wages & welfare payments.

It's not being used for infrastructure -
that's why we pay tolls on roads to private business.


Forgetting nothing. Your assumption now is that the entire federal income is debt based. It's not. Only the deficit is raised as debt. These are issued in native currency as bonds. They are redeemed as the money supply expands along with nominal growth in the economy. You really need to buy a decent macro textbook.
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Reply #32 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:12am
 
ITWire publishes the article Nick Ross wrote in 2013 that the ABC did not publish so as not offend Turncoat:

http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-news/telecoms-and-nbn/71165-issues-with-coalit...

Nick rips the Lib statements (on www.malcolmturnbull.com.au and www.tonyabbott.com.au ) apart.

From our vantage point in 2016 we know the costs of the MTM mess, with little run out as yet, have blown out to $56Bn with another .6Bn due to problems with Telstra copper and the Optus HFC (which would have been known about before the MTM mess was decided on!)

By contrast, the new technologies, named Project Fox and proved in the Melton, Vic, FTTH rollout would have halved construction time and cost of rolling out FTTH.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/quigleys-project-fox-still-saving-nbn-co-money-on-f...

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http://www.zdnet.com/article/turnbull-fooling-nobody-but-himself-on-nbn-co-fttp-...
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Reply #33 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:16am
 
Just how slimy is this fascist govt anyway?

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/24/govt-censors-nbn-cos-fttp-projection-data/

Data on cost of running out FTTP starting the rollout again supposed to cost this huge amount compared to the “tiny” $56Bn (so far) of the useless MTM mess—hidden!

So we can see optimistic projections of cost of the MTM rubbish but we cannot see the projections of the FTTH version?

Do you think Turncoat is hiding something? Bunch of crooks and liars!
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Reply #34 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 3:51am
 
As I have said before, rural councils were some of the most eager to have the NBN rolled out in their areas, even offering to pay part of the cost of bring fibre to their areas. Here is one example:

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Remote Queensland towns secure fibre broadband funding


Barcoo-Diamantina link to roll out in March.

Six remote towns in Queensland’s western shires are set to get a fibre broadband link after a decade-long campaign secured $16.5 million in federal, state and local funding.

The project will see 600 kilometres of fibre optic cable rolled out in March to connect the Barcoo and Diamantina Shire towns of Stonehenge, Jundah, Windorah, Birdsville and Bedourie, allowing for metro-equivalent fixed broadband and 4G services.

The towns had previously relied on Telstra high capacity radio concentrator (HCRC) microwave and radio links, which had been installed in the 1980s, for voice services.

Aside from being unable to give residents access to the internet, the unreliable and outdated system left them unable to make calls on a number of occasions.



http://www.itnews.com.au/news/remote-queensland-towns-secure-fibre-broadband-fun...

It was of course the new Labor Premier that got this started. Well done.
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Reply #35 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 4:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:54pm:
Dear Crocodile - debt is bad no matter how you spin it.

I don't want to live in a debtor nation living beyond it's means.

Debt has a function.

You are saying debt has no function  Cheesy
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Reply #36 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 4:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:51pm:
crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 9:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 8:53pm:
crocodile wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 5:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:34pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 7:28am:
“wonton hysteria” served at all chinese restaurants    Smiley Wink

Yes, Bobby is inclined to hysteric stances and during the hottest year by far he was posting crank videos about global cooling  Roll Eyes and he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain, regardless of the fact austerity is the wrong policy prescription now.



he wants PS pay to be cut to tackle the debt mountain,


That's right

A pay cut of 10 to 20% for all public servants until we get the budget back in the black.


Do you realise that continuous surplus budgets mean continuous deficits on the private side of the ledger.



No I didn't - please explain.


There is no mystery. Government income is raised entirely from the private sector. It should be obvious that if governments continuously tax more than they spend it must come from the savings of the private sector. The end result simply being an escalation of private sector debt at the expense of public sector savings.

The government sector is not like a household. Surplus upon surplus is not as good as it sounds. Escalating private sector debt is as bad as it sounds.

You really need to acquaint yourself with the sectoral balances. A decent macro textbook will most likely have an entire chapter devoted to the subject.


You sound like a Govt. spin doctor -

debt is good.

war is peace

freedom is slavery

ignorance is strength


Lol, debt has a function... You are rewriting the book by saying it has no function!

Nomenclature buddy... You have no logical skills!
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Reply #37 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 10:49am
 
Some of the things we cannot do with the third rate MTM mess that is already costing more than the FTTH rollout. From an article by Nick Ross, Sep 2013:

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/09/19/3852140.htm

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Meaningless phrases and numbers

Many people are sick of hearing nebulous terms like 'superfast broadband' and jargon like 'jigabits per second' and 'download speeds.'

Telehealthcare ignores all of that and treats the NBN like the infrastructure that it is - a network which provides a medical-grade, reliable connection to each home and a complete standardisation of equipment - i.e. 'one box and one interface for everyone' - instead of the hotchpotch, 'every-situation-is-different' situation that we have today.

Why is this important?

Australia's ballooning health spend

According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, the country spent over $121bn on healthcare between 2009-10. The following year it surpassed $130bn and it's been rising at six per cent each year - twice the growth rate of GDP.

Healthcare expenditure currently makes up 10 per cent of GDP but analysts Mark Dougan from Frost and Sullivan says that, "At the current rate, in perhaps about ten years or so, it will hit 15 per cent of GDP - mostly from public sources." He points out that this growth rate is "unsustainable."

According to South Australia Health's October 2012 report:

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At the time we released the 2007 South Australian Health Care Plan, if SA Health had continued spending at the same rate, then by 2032 the entire State budget will be consumed by Health alone. Our efforts to reduce growth in demand has now pushed this back to 2038. Slowing the growth in demand, however, must be accompanied by providing more efficient services in order to deliver a balanced budget...



Peter Croft from Allocate (healthcare) Software adds, "Most State governments have identified a point in the future where the growth in funding for health is going to consume the entire state budget."

The problem is that improvements have to come from efficiency gains and not spending cuts. As Stephen Duckett and Cassie McGannon said recently in The Conversation:

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Reducing health spending growth will not be easy. As Grattan's Game-changers report last year showed, Australia already has one of the OECD's most efficient health systems, in terms of life expectancy achieved for dollars spent. Sweeping cuts to health funding, or shifting costs to consumers, could have serious consequences. Blunt cost-cutting risks reducing health and well-being, and could ultimately lead to higher government costs due to illness, increased health-care needs and lower workforce participation.
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Reply #38 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
Another article showing what the Libs have taken away. Nick Ross 2013:

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

With the motor car industry closing we could have used the NBN to foster lots of creative, content creating industries  Sad
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Reply #39 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 12:20pm:
Another article showing what the Libs have taken away. Nick Ross 2013:

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

With the motor car industry closing we could have used the NBN to foster lots of creative, content creating industries  Sad

Malcolm Turnbull is in a world of hurt and Bill is loving it  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

wait wait....  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes (Please forgive me  Cool Cool): Malcolm Hurtbull is in a world of turd and ...etc etc yadda yadda yadda fmthis is going to be another fine day for yours truly!

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Reply #40 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 1:26pm
 
They aren't open, it's slower, it's more expensive and it doesn't pay itself back.

How can anyone justify MTM?
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Reply #41 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Jan 27th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
They aren't open, it's slower, it's more expensive and it doesn't pay itself back.

How can anyone justify MTM?

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/27/morrow-hints-at-long-term-fttp-upgrade-for-m...

They can't: here come the backflips  Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #42 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 8:14pm
 
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/20/telstra-may-be-deploying-brand-new-copper-to...

They are also deploying more copper - it's more expensive and slower than fibre.

This has now gotten beyond a joke.
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Reply #43 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 9:49pm
 
It is called kissing Rupert’s {gak, euchhh} ring.

Or total but total bloody stupidity!
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Reply #44 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 9:27am
 
Mentioned above but:

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news The chief executive of the NBN company has stated in a radio interview that the National Broadband Network will eventually go to “the same place” as Labor’s original Fibre to the Premises model through continual upgrades to the network over time, in a move which appears to offer long-term hope for those displeased by the Government’s controversial multi-technology model.


https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/27/morrow-hints-at-long-term-fttp-upgrade-for-m...

You would have to be stupid or a Lib voter (a tautology there) to believe that crap! As was pointed out, new copper is being run out everywhere. Copper is more expensive to roll out and because it will inevitably corrode, be attacked by rats and other vermin etc will incur hefty maintenance costs. Copper also needs more power than optical fibre (5V.)

Then the stupid nodes cannot be used to move to FTTH, the nodes will have to be ditched and new fibre rolled out from exchanges. So as well as heading for >$100Bn cost to roll out the MTM crap we will have to pay the $44Bn to roll out fibre again. The opportunity cost makes these eye-bleedingly huge sums pale in comparison.
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