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Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge
Reply #15 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

politicians should debate more often ... not the pre-prepared questions with the scripted answers, but the scruff of the neck debating whereby they explain their positions.

I can see why the libs don't like debates ..... slogans don't work so well when you have to support your arguments

opposition leaders love debates. that have everything to gain and little to lose. no one is listening to shorten on any topic and so he wants a platform to speak from. turnball wont give it to him.

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned. Either option won't suit Turncoat just yet. He doesn't want to lie because he saw what happened to Abbott when the truth came out, and he doesn't want to tell the truth because he's not ready to announce his plans yet. If he can get away without saying anything, he will.

you really dont understand pretty much anything, do you. if not for SOB I'd have to say you are the stupidest dullest poster we have seen here.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19964 Gender:	Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge Reply #16 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm: of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned. Seems to me that applies to both sides.
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Reply #17 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

politicians should debate more often ... not the pre-prepared questions with the scripted answers, but the scruff of the neck debating whereby they explain their positions.

I can see why the libs don't like debates ..... slogans don't work so well when you have to support your arguments

opposition leaders love debates. that have everything to gain and little to lose. no one is listening to shorten on any topic and so he wants a platform to speak from. turnball wont give it to him.

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned. Either option won't suit Turncoat just yet. He doesn't want to lie because he saw what happened to Abbott when the truth came out, and he doesn't want to tell the truth because he's not ready to announce his plans yet. If he can get away without saying anything, he will.

you really dont understand pretty much anything, do you. if not for SOB I'd have to say you are the stupidest dullest poster we have seen here.

I understand what an idiot you are ... what exactly did you disagree with dopey?

and lets see if you can concentrate on the topic at hand. If you think I care about your insults you're on drugs ... since you prove time and time again that you get everything wrong, I certainly hope you think I'm 'dull' ... the odds are waaayyyyy in my favour that you're wrong about that too. Grin

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Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge
Reply #18 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

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Reply #19 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

A) he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest
B) his policies include a new carbon tax and a return to the boat people.

yeah, that's gonna work.

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Reply #20 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

A) he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest
B) his policies include a new carbon tax and a return to the boat people.

yeah, that's gonna work.

Labor have no policy to introduce any carbon tax.

I am sure you have been told that before ?

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Reply #21 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

A) he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest
B) his policies include a new carbon tax and a return to the boat people.

yeah, that's gonna work.

he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest

Abbott had all the help in the world and it had no impact at all.

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Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge
Reply #22 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 7:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

A) he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest
B) his policies include a new carbon tax and a return to the boat people.

yeah, that's gonna work.

except that if that were even half true Turncoat would jump on the opportunity

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19964 Gender:	Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge Reply #23 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 9:19pm John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm: yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. A gallows is a platform.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge Reply #24 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:08pm Astonishing we have the right wing dicky whackers on here panning carbon pricing but entertaining a GST rise that undeniably will cost the consumer more than $550 a year. Where has the confected outrage gone righties?
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Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge
Reply #25 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:02am

Its time wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Astonishing we have the right wing dicky whackers on here panning carbon pricing but entertaining a GST rise that undeniably will cost the consumer more than $550 a year. Where has the confected outrage gone righties?

where do you get these figures from????.....

btw.. GST doesnt affect our exports.. or trading powers.....this country cannot be and will never be self sufficient..

instead of worrying about what we pay..

I thinkw e need to worry more about what they spend it on..

the waste in this country is beyond disgraceful.

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Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge
Reply #26 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:18am

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:02am:

Its time wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Astonishing we have the right wing dicky whackers on here panning carbon pricing but entertaining a GST rise that undeniably will cost the consumer more than $550 a year. Where has the confected outrage gone righties?

where do you get these figures from????.....

btw.. GST doesnt affect our exports.. or trading powers.....this country cannot be and will never be self sufficient..

instead of worrying about what we pay..

I thinkw e need to worry more about what they spend it on..

the waste in this country is beyond disgraceful.

The link between exports and self sufficiency is a bit tenuous I would think. Isn't that more about imports which are exposed to a GST ? I would think that items leaving the country have little impact on us being self sufficient.

With every man and his dog screaming to put GST onto low priced imported goods I would see no reason to continue GST free exports. Why should Australian companies making goods or providing services for foreigners get to claim GST exemptions on what they produce but to then have a final product exported GST free.

where do you get these figures from????.....

The $550 was the figure that Abbott falsely claimed people would be better off as a result of removing the fixed carbon price.

The fact is that the GST increase will cost people immensely more than the carbon price did, The proposed raise to the GST would be the single biggest tax increase in Australia's history but a big margin.

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Reply #27 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

A) he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest
B) his policies include a new carbon tax and a return to the boat people.

yeah, that's gonna work.

Labor have no policy to introduce any carbon tax.

I am sure you have been told that before ?

you certainly have. but you are both wrong and an inveterate liar.

the alp plans to reintroduce a carbon tax.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Shorten attempts to revive polls with a challenge Reply #28 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 1:00pm Not a carbon tax but an ETS. Hopefully the Greens will FINALLY let an ETS be introduced.
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Reply #29 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 1:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

of course not, especially since he'll either have to lie or tell the truth about what he has planned.

Seems to me that applies to both sides. Grin

yes, except like longie said, Shorten needs a platform to speak from. Shorten has nothing to lose by being honest.

A) he'd have to get advice on how to even BE honest
B) his policies include a new carbon tax and a return to the boat people.

yeah, that's gonna work.

Labor have no policy to introduce any carbon tax.

I am sure you have been told that before ?

you certainly have. but you are both wrong and an inveterate liar.

the alp plans to reintroduce a carbon tax.

why do you lie so much? Unable to argue your point based on facts? There is no plan to bring back the carbon tax. If you want to claim that there is, prove it.

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