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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #15 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:56am

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company.

Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like.

If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days. And what's the problem with paying tax? Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence. People shouldn't pay tax??

So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax.

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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #16 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:57am

"Penalty rates are set by the independent Fair Work Commission,"

Which the government just happens to stack with some old mates, and which looks set fair for abolition by any real government in this country.

Looks like another bloated bureaucracy to me..... all on a sweet ride unearned. Hope they are prepared for a salary cut for their deemed outside ordinary hours work included in salary.

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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #17 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:17pm

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well.

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream.

You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods. no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet.

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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #18 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well.

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream.

You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods. no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet.

Why is that? the idea was that the I, Machines would take over the work and people would all enjoy the benefits of less work and more leisure without losing any prosperity...

So what we are looking for here is... What Went Wrong? Huh

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate Reply #19 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:35pm stunspore wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:56am: So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax. Like the GST for example?.
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate Reply #20 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 1:46pm John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:37am: turncoat won't commit to cutting penalty rates, at least not before the election ... if he does he'll see his numbers crash to Abbotts level If he does not cut rates - then he win another term of government That's good!!
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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #21 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:40pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

I will never understand people like Swag who want workers to live absolutely poo lives while inequality skyrockets and cut all the gains of the 20th century because it's the "workers who are entitled' in a world where if you are born into capital, it's basically impossible to fail. Trump is the perfect example, terrible businessman who has mismanaged all his companies even though he was easy mode (Casinos and Property development) and would have actually made more money if he just dumped his daddies money into a S&P 500 and is now going on to likely be the president of the United States not on any merit but because he's rich and spouts stupid populist fascist poo. I'm sure Aqua loves Trump as well.

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

People like Swag won't be happy until working conditions are equal to that of some third world country and he can pretend he's living the Randian dream.

You can have your 13hr/week if you want. But you have to live in a 1950s type environment. 3BR house, .5 car per family, little electronic technology and a very sparse range of foods. no aircon, no computers an certainly no internet.

Why is that? the idea was that the I, Machines would take over the work and people would all enjoy the benefits of less work and more leisure without losing any prosperity...

So what we are looking for here is... What Went Wrong? Huh

they wanted more prosperity instead. Do you think you'd want to live in a 1950s lifestyle now?

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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #22 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:54pm

stunspore wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company.

Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like.

If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days. And what's the problem with paying tax? Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence. People shouldn't pay tax??

So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax.

You're forgetting a raft of other taxes that are paid with after-tax income with GST being the biggest impost. Add them all up and it's about 40%.

The point though is not that taxes are being paid, but that the value that employers take from the workers is comparable to the tax that the workers pay. In fact it's often more. The average worker could earn enough in a 20-hour week to meet their needs but they must work for longer because the company is skimming 50% of the value of the workers' labour for the company's owners.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate Reply #23 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:16pm The Libs have already got a pay reduction with the lowest wage growth in decades under their watch.
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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #24 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Bam wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

It's amazing, with all this amazing production exponentially growing, our rights and working hours are going back to the 19th century.
Keynes predicted we would be working 13 hours a week by now, honestly that's possible, you can match the production of someone in 1950 in less than one working day today, you can match the production of someone a decade ago in 30 hours, why should workers work more hours for less? What argument of progress is that? Oh wait, because it's not the workers getting more greedy, it's the Capitalists.

That's why everyone likes Fridays so much ... that's the day of the week when workers actually earn money for themselves. Monday and Tuesday, it's tax money for the governments, Wednesday and Thursday workers are earning money for the company.

Repeating Hockey's rubbish it seems like.

If majority of the voters are at 30% tax margin (note the average tax is less that 30% as it is tiered) then really it is less than 2 days. And what's the problem with paying tax? Tax helps pays for essentials such as defence. People shouldn't pay tax??

So pathetic that people are aversed to paying any tax.

You're forgetting a raft of other taxes that are paid with after-tax income with GST being the biggest impost. Add them all up and it's about 40%.

The point though is not that taxes are being paid, but that the value that employers take from the workers is comparable to the tax that the workers pay. In fact it's often more. The average worker could earn enough in a 20-hour week to meet their needs but they must work for longer because the company is skimming 50% of the value of the workers' labour for the company's owners.

where do you get this drivel? out of your nappy? when 20% of businesses are LOSING money at any one time how are they 'skimming'.

you still hate business owners dont you. but that's ok. feelings mutual.

cue whine and run to moderator....

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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #25 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

Maqqa wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

If he does not cut rates - then he win another term of government

That's good!!

why? if he's too scared to do anything anyway whats the point of him being there? ... is he there as a show pony, or is he there because he wants whats best for Australia?

If he believes cutting rates is best, he should pursue it rather than acting the spineless turd that he is.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate Reply #26 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:53pm longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate Reply #27 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:14pm John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:52pm: because he wants whats best for Australia? ......better than what's best for the Trade Unions....which is what the alternative PM is about....
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Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate
Reply #28 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

because he wants whats best for Australia?

......better than what's best for the Trade Unions....which is what the alternative PM is about....

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/49523d72-9771-4646-8e3d-aedc6c43...

careful Swag ... you're starting to sound like cods.

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Our esteemed leader:
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Coalition Voters Reject Cut In Sunday Penalty Rate Reply #29 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 8:25pm John Smith wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:53pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 6:41pm: you still hate business owners dont you careful, you're skirt is slipping .... that's Maria's favourite phrase Haha, busted
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