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Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:43am

Hawke government considered carbon tax in 1991 to curb climate change

Key policy points under consideration in 1991:
* Carbon tax
* Detention of asylum seekers
* Protection visas
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Cabinet documents revealed today show the Hawke government considered a carbon tax as a way of combating climate change.

A cabinet submission from 1991 mentions a "carbon tax for energy use" as well as a "carbon tax-type" tax based on "all greenhouse gas emissions, for all source activities, including industry, energy, agriculture, transport".

The ideas, along with other schemes designed to curb carbon emissions through government incentives, were rejected because of a lack of information about their effects on the economy, which was then in a year-long recession

The documents also reveal detailed policy plans to introduce detention of asylum seekers, and the introduction of a new visa class that would deny refugees automatic protection in Australia.

Paul Keating introduced mandatory detention in 1992 as prime minister.

John Howard introduced temporary protection visas almost a decade later.

Then-immigration minister Gerry Hand argued in 1991 that the courts had become too lenient in the treatment of asylum claims, providing a strong incentive for boat people from Cambodia to try and land in Australia.

In echoes of later arguments, his Cabinet submission attests that many claiming refugee status were doing so on economic grounds and that mandatory detention would help provide a deterrent.

The National Archives will release cabinet papers from Paul Keating's first two years as prime minister next year.

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #1 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:49am

Bam wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:43am:

Hawke government considered carbon tax in 1991 to curb climate change

Key policy points under consideration in 1991:
* Carbon tax
* Detention of asylum seekers
* Protection visas
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Cabinet documents revealed today show the Hawke government considered a carbon tax as a way of combating climate change.

A cabinet submission from 1991 mentions a "carbon tax for energy use" as well as a "carbon tax-type" tax based on "all greenhouse gas emissions, for all source activities, including industry, energy, agriculture, transport".

The ideas, along with other schemes designed to curb carbon emissions through government incentives, were rejected because of a lack of information about their effects on the economy, which was then in a year-long recession

The documents also reveal detailed policy plans to introduce detention of asylum seekers, and the introduction of a new visa class that would deny refugees automatic protection in Australia.

Paul Keating introduced mandatory detention in 1992 as prime minister.

John Howard introduced temporary protection visas almost a decade later.

Then-immigration minister Gerry Hand argued in 1991 that the courts had become too lenient in the treatment of asylum claims, providing a strong incentive for boat people from Cambodia to try and land in Australia.

In echoes of later arguments, his Cabinet submission attests that many claiming refugee status were doing so on economic grounds and that mandatory detention would help provide a deterrent.

The National Archives will release cabinet papers from Paul Keating's first two years as prime minister next year.

Seems that Hawke knew what needed to be done with economic migrants/country-shoppers but that Rudd, Gillard & Shorten are living in fantasy land.

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax Reply #2 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 10:08am Who was it that said we would be better of $550 a year, if the carbon tax went. It wasnt Bob Hawke. So now the carbon tax is gone. Where is the $550 better off gone?.
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Reply #3 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am

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Who was it that said we would be better of $550 a year, if the carbon tax went. It wasnt Bob Hawke. So now the carbon tax is gone. Where is the $550 better off gone?. Sad

ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it. but you probably need to have a job, live outside mummy's basement and venture outside to get the real benefits.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax Reply #4 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:02pm Quote: Who was it that said we would be better of $550 a year, if the carbon tax went. It wasnt Bob Hawke. So now the carbon tax is gone. Where is the $550 better off gone?. all I kn ow is my direst debt for my electricity went down a HUGE amount...
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax Reply #5 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am: ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it. no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie?
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Reply #6 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:06pm

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/cabinet-papers-1990-91-bitter-labor-co...

he was also ,thrilled he got dumped by Keating so he could DUMP his wife HAZEL and marry his mistress... Angry

gees they are good at that arent they...lefties...

dumping the wife who stood by them through thick and thin....

the usual Double Standards from the left..

and no loyalty whatever.. Sad

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Reply #7 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:09pm

Thank goodness the Libs got rid of a pricing mechanism that's ultimate goal was to reduce pollution and look at renewables as alternate power source. Thank goodness they saved us $550 per year and are doing their best to choke the states in to a GST rise , which is sure to cost us less than $550 Sad

Do you have any idea how furkn ridiculous you righties sound opposing something that cost $550 and killed two birds with one stone and supporting something that will cost much much much more ?

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #8 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:10pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:49am:

Bam wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 7:43am:

Hawke government considered carbon tax in 1991 to curb climate change

Key policy points under consideration in 1991:
* Carbon tax
* Detention of asylum seekers
* Protection visas
Quote:

Cabinet documents revealed today show the Hawke government considered a carbon tax as a way of combating climate change.

A cabinet submission from 1991 mentions a "carbon tax for energy use" as well as a "carbon tax-type" tax based on "all greenhouse gas emissions, for all source activities, including industry, energy, agriculture, transport".

The ideas, along with other schemes designed to curb carbon emissions through government incentives, were rejected because of a lack of information about their effects on the economy, which was then in a year-long recession

The documents also reveal detailed policy plans to introduce detention of asylum seekers, and the introduction of a new visa class that would deny refugees automatic protection in Australia.

Paul Keating introduced mandatory detention in 1992 as prime minister.

John Howard introduced temporary protection visas almost a decade later.

Then-immigration minister Gerry Hand argued in 1991 that the courts had become too lenient in the treatment of asylum claims, providing a strong incentive for boat people from Cambodia to try and land in Australia.

In echoes of later arguments, his Cabinet submission attests that many claiming refugee status were doing so on economic grounds and that mandatory detention would help provide a deterrent.

The National Archives will release cabinet papers from Paul Keating's first two years as prime minister next year.

Seems that Hawke knew what needed to be done with economic migrants/country-shoppers but that Rudd, Gillard & Shorten are living in fantasy land.

It's very amusing how you only see what you want to see and simply ignore the rest. Take off your blinkers, like this:

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Seems that Hawke knew what needed to be done with economic migrants/country-shoppers carbon pricing but that Rudd, Gillard & Shorten Abbott and Turnbull are living in fantasy land.

See? That wasn't so hard.

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #9 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:15pm

Its time wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:09pm:

Thank goodness the Libs got rid of a pricing mechanism that's ultimate goal was to reduce pollution and look at renewables as alternate power source. Thank goodness they saved us $550 per year and are doing their best to choke the states in to a GST rise , which is sure to cost us less than $550 Sad

Do you have any idea how furkn ridiculous you righties sound opposing something that cost $550 and killed two birds with one stone and supporting something that will cost much much much more ?

And many broken promises too.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax Reply #10 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:34pm John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am: ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it. no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie? it has been shown to you multiple times, liar.
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Reply #11 - Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it.

no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie?

it has been shown to you multiple times, liar.

bullsh1t .... the original claim was that removing the carbon tax would save you $550 off your electricity bill. The ACCC found that to be false, but ASSUMED that if you took into account the lower cost of food etc, bought about by the removal of the carbon tax, (something which failed to eventuate) then the average household would probably save $550.

To find a positive conclusion the ACCC had to ignore the stipulation on the original claim and make assumptions about possible future savings. Cheesy

Of course, the fact that Abbott was at the time slashing everyones budgets probably didn't influence the ACCC's findings.

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Re: Hawke government considered carbon tax
Reply #12 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:07pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it.

no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie?

it has been shown to you multiple times, liar.

bullsh1t .... the original claim was that removing the carbon tax would save you $550 off your electricity bill. The ACCC found that to be false, but ASSUMED that if you took into account the lower cost of food etc, bought about by the removal of the carbon tax, (something which failed to eventuate) then the average household would probably save $550.

To find a positive conclusion the ACCC had to ignore the stipulation on the original claim and make assumptions about possible future savings. Cheesy

Of course, the fact that Abbott was at the time slashing everyones budgets probably didn't influence the ACCC's findings.

you are the kind of fool who will never be convinced of anything you dont understand. You are without doubt the stupidest, most ignorant and foolish person on here. And just think of the utter more-ons that puts you BELOW

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Reply #13 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 3:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:40am:

ask the ACCC. they will tell you that you already have it.

no they won't ... why do you keep bringing up that old lie?

it has been shown to you multiple times, liar.

bullsh1t .... the original claim was that removing the carbon tax would save you $550 off your electricity bill. The ACCC found that to be false, but ASSUMED that if you took into account the lower cost of food etc, bought about by the removal of the carbon tax, (something which failed to eventuate) then the average household would probably save $550.

To find a positive conclusion the ACCC had to ignore the stipulation on the original claim and make assumptions about possible future savings. Cheesy

Of course, the fact that Abbott was at the time slashing everyones budgets probably didn't influence the ACCC's findings.

you are the kind of fool who will never be convinced of anything you dont understand. You are without doubt the stupidest, most ignorant and foolish person on here. And just think of the utter more-ons that puts you BELOW

you could of course dig up the ACCC's findings ... but we all know who would end up looking the most ignorant and foolish Cheesy

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Reply #14 - Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:29pm

cods wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 12:06pm:

he was also ,thrilled he got dumped by Keating so he could DUMP his wife HAZEL and marry his mistress... Angry Angry

gees they are good at that arent they...lefties...dumping the wife who stood by them through thick and thin....

So only lefties do that!

Faaark I hadn't realised that!

Thanks for the heads up cods!

I will tell my grand children to marry a young Liberal! Grin

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