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Reply #150 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:21am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

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Been a hectic couple of Xmas days... winning a bit at the club helps... beer is nice... fat as a pig..... on prawns and lovely marinated beef today.... (burp)

Peace, Sister! I hate the politicians for abusing the rights of all and for deluding women into this system of belief that they gain more from being victims and by voting for politicians who give them bribes and kick-backs instead of simple realities.

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Reply #151 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36384 Gender:	Re: 'Domestic Violence Awareness' - does anyone know Reply #152 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:24am Grap, you and i are never going to agree but i put to you that i have been hurt more by men than you have by feminism ... yet i don't hold the same grudge. I am a feminist and i am proud of it. Most of what you ascribe to me just isn't true. Fight the real power Grap. Stop shadow boxing.
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Reply #153 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

I think it's a similar situation with me and my dad. I didn't accept his behaviour, so i copped it all. Mostly because i was too young to understand that he was an alcoholic but there is more to it i reckon, going by my general disposition.

My brothers used to just go up to their rooms to study while i would badger him. I didn't understand why he had so drastically changes from the "Daddy" i used to know.

He left my brothers alone. Even encouraged them when they went after me. I remember the first time i was kicked out of home. I was 11. I slept in the car. I could see my father with my brothers through the kitchen window, replaying the beatiing and aftermath and laughing about it.

My mother was nowhere.

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Reply #154 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

Grap, you and i are never going to agree but i put to you that i have been hurt more by men than you have by feminism ... yet i don't hold the same grudge.

I am a feminist and i am proud of it. Most of what you ascribe to me just isn't true.

Fight the real power Grap. Stop shadow boxing.

Women have hurt me deeply.. never for any good reason... and the abuse of 'dv' laws and such is the icing on the cake.

Your idea of feminism is not what it is on the ground once it is in the hands of dim-witted politicians.. then it becomes an extension of civil war by other means, and is nothing but another way of robbing the ordinary person of rights and earning capacity.

I don't ascribe much to you at all that is negative... to the contrary ... I think you are a decent person, but you need to view the issues as a whole and not as one-sided.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36384 Gender:	Re: 'Domestic Violence Awareness' - does anyone know Reply #155 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:34am Grap, i'm a pretty typical feminist. I think the patriarchy hurts men as much as it does women.
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Reply #156 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:37am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

I think it's a similar situation with me and my dad. I didn't accept his behaviour, so i copped it all. Mostly because i was too young to understand that he was an alcoholic but there is more to it i reckon, going by my general disposition.

My brothers used to just go up to their rooms to study while i would badger him. I didn't understand why he had so drastically changes from the "Daddy" i used to know.

He left my brothers alone. Even encouraged them when they went after me. I remember the first time i was kicked out of home. I was 11. I slept in the car. I could see my father with my brothers through the kitchen window, replaying the beatiing and aftermath and laughing about it.

My mother was nowhere.

My father was a WWII Veteran and an Airborne jump-master. He was a drunk and my mother was a schiz.... both abused us physically up to the time when... after (inserts for sens) MY coming home from a combat zone... my father drunkenly abused me... I stood up and said (in return to his saying "I should have killed you years ago!" (what a thing to say to your own children)......

"Why don't you try it now!"

He visibly shrank...... seriously.... you know part of my history by now... he had no chance in a stand-up fight, unlike the black eyes of school days....

I vowed that, in view of my experiences with him, I would never fight against my own children in any way or abuse them.... they know that.

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Reply #157 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:39am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

I think it's a similar situation with me and my dad. I didn't accept his behaviour, so i copped it all. Mostly because i was too young to understand that he was an alcoholic but there is more to it i reckon, going by my general disposition.

My brothers used to just go up to their rooms to study while i would badger him. I didn't understand why he had so drastically changes from the "Daddy" i used to know.

He left my brothers alone. Even encouraged them when they went after me. I remember the first time i was kicked out of home. I was 11. I slept in the car. I could see my father with my brothers through the kitchen window, replaying the beatiing and aftermath and laughing about it.

My mother was nowhere.

There ya go, now we can both regret the morning together! Grin

I don't feel it negatively impacted me as a person much, just showed me what I didn't want to do as a parent and didn't do. I don't feel scarred by it or even any animosity and still talk to him to this day. Although being on the other side of Au probably helps. He's my dad and I love him.

He is forgiven

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Re: 'Domestic Violence Awareness' - does anyone know
Reply #158 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:41am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:34am:

Grap, i'm a pretty typical feminist.

I think the patriarchy hurts men as much as it does women.

Patriarchy is misleading when a significant portion of it is controlled by selected women - the insiders..... still the same just a few **Tango Whiskeys** on board to make it look good, and chosen ones who the group wants to benefit... like Julia Gillard.

** Token Women.**

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Reply #159 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:45am

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

I think it's a similar situation with me and my dad. I didn't accept his behaviour, so i copped it all. Mostly because i was too young to understand that he was an alcoholic but there is more to it i reckon, going by my general disposition.

My brothers used to just go up to their rooms to study while i would badger him. I didn't understand why he had so drastically changes from the "Daddy" i used to know.

He left my brothers alone. Even encouraged them when they went after me. I remember the first time i was kicked out of home. I was 11. I slept in the car. I could see my father with my brothers through the kitchen window, replaying the beatiing and aftermath and laughing about it.

My mother was nowhere.

There ya go, now we can both regret the morning together! Grin

I don't feel it negatively impacted me as a person much, just showed me what I didn't want to do as a parent and didn't do. I don't feel scarred by it or even any animosity and still talk to him to this day. Although being on the other side of Au probably helps. He's my dad and I love him.

He is forgiven

namaste

I agree.. I'm pretty much the same... no real animosity.. and I learned what I never wanted to do with my children.... never had a serious spanking even in their lives... but raised on reason and mutual understanding...

They do not understand violence.... but are trained to handle it if it comes to them..... I sent them both to martial arts lessons and constantly told them it was not to fight with.... unless they were attacked.

NOBODY messes with my kids and gets away with it...... and they are both as non-violent as I am.

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Reply #160 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:45am

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

I think it's a similar situation with me and my dad. I didn't accept his behaviour, so i copped it all. Mostly because i was too young to understand that he was an alcoholic but there is more to it i reckon, going by my general disposition.

My brothers used to just go up to their rooms to study while i would badger him. I didn't understand why he had so drastically changes from the "Daddy" i used to know.

He left my brothers alone. Even encouraged them when they went after me. I remember the first time i was kicked out of home. I was 11. I slept in the car. I could see my father with my brothers through the kitchen window, replaying the beatiing and aftermath and laughing about it.

My mother was nowhere.

There ya go, now we can both regret the morning together! Grin

I don't feel it negatively impacted me as a person much, just showed me what I din't want to do as a parent and didn't do. I don't feel scarred by it or even any animosity and still talk to him to this day. Although being on the other side of Au probably helps. He's my dad and I love him.

He is forgiven

namaste

I spent the day with my parents and half of my family. My father has come a long, long way and ,y mother is ... well .. invested.

I won't see one of my brothers though. He put me in hospital and hasn't evolved at all.

As for saying what i lived through didn't negatively effect me though, i can't get there. I think it has much to do with why i put up with DV for 14 years. I was kind of acclimatised to being hurt. I thought that i could "handle" the rest. I also carry the scars of being a street kid for a number of years. It made me but it broke me a little bit.

Nonetheless, i turned it all around. Got 2 degrees. Kicked on. Now i have a happy, stable and nourishing home life.

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Reply #161 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:53am

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

I'm so going to regret this over-share in the morning.

Beer after a long relly do.

Meh, if it makes you happy I can spill some too. Grap has in the past. My dad used to beat the poo outa me, no middle kid syndrome for me:) I had a knife I made in the back shed draw blood on my throat when I was about 12. "Leave my mum alone or I will kill you!" Father, Korean war vet, swiftly disarms me the throws me on my bed and shoves it into my throat saying "you're going yo kill me are you?" me yes, point goes in deeper. I do not back down and keep saying yes. I've had a double barrel shoved in my mouth and being told it's the end of you, then realising there are no shells he heads to get some, mum myself and my sibling make a bolt. But honestly, he would never have won, he might beat you physically but I never bowed. I think that's why I copped it all.

I think it's a similar situation with me and my dad. I didn't accept his behaviour, so i copped it all. Mostly because i was too young to understand that he was an alcoholic but there is more to it i reckon, going by my general disposition.

My brothers used to just go up to their rooms to study while i would badger him. I didn't understand why he had so drastically changes from the "Daddy" i used to know.

He left my brothers alone. Even encouraged them when they went after me. I remember the first time i was kicked out of home. I was 11. I slept in the car. I could see my father with my brothers through the kitchen window, replaying the beatiing and aftermath and laughing about it.

My mother was nowhere.

There ya go, now we can both regret the morning together! Grin

I don't feel it negatively impacted me as a person much, just showed me what I din't want to do as a parent and didn't do. I don't feel scarred by it or even any animosity and still talk to him to this day. Although being on the other side of Au probably helps. He's my dad and I love him.

He is forgiven

namaste

I spent the day with my parents and half of my family. My father has come a long, long way and ,y mother is ... well .. invested.

I won't see one of my brothers though. He put me in hospital and hasn't evolved at all.

As for saying what i lived through didn't negatively effect me though, i can't get there. I think it has much to do with why i put up with DV for 14 years. I was kind of acclimatised to being hurt. I thought that i could "handle" the rest. I also carry the scars of being a street kid for a number of years. It made me but it broke me a little bit.

Nonetheless, i turned it all around. Got 2 degrees. Kicked on. Now i have a happy, stable and nourishing home life.

Good onya!

I suppose we learned two different lessons. I learned resistance, you went the other way in the end for some reason after starting with it. I left home at 15.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: 'Domestic Violence Awareness' - does anyone know Reply #162 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 1:35am Misery loves company. If you still have toxic people in your life who did you so much harm then you only have yourself to blame.
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Reply #163 - Dec 27^th, 2015 at 5:26am

ian wrote on Dec 27^th, 2015 at 1:35am:

Misery loves company. If you still have toxic people in your life who did you so much harm then you only have yourself to blame.

no need for that shot my friend...

to read peoples childhood stories that can never ever be undone...is eye opening..I thought my childhood was miserable and sad.. but nothing compared to mothra and grap...well done to you guys for sharing your "sad" time with us...it is good to get this horror out there sometime .. at least thats what I think.. you cannot bury these scars they need to be shared and not everyone understands that...they just dont want to know...

I am the sort of person that does want to know....I like a better understanding of what makes us who we are..

its taken me a long time but I now realise the only way we really move forward from unimaginable bad.. is to" forgive".....

sounds odd to some but it really is the only way....

whatever you lived through cannot be changed it will never "go away"..but if you forgive these people then you can talk about it without the bitterness that twists around your heart and makes you relive those terrible times over and over...

like a father who says he wished he had killed you years ago....

grap I cannot imagine what its like living with those words..

all I can say is.. your dad was more than an alcoholic he was brain damaged as well...he hated life and took it out on you...be stronger and better than him...in every way.... and thats means you forgive him his trespasses ..... he was weak spineless person

and many are still with us today..

an 8 year old boy was found living in a tin shed whilst his mother grew drugs....with her boyfriend...and 19 yr old brother.. 3 adults didnt bat an eyelid about torturing this 8 year old..

what am I doing about it..........not a thing except voice my horror and disgust that this happens in my country....a shocker.

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