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WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?
Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:27pm
 
What the fluck are all the deniers going to do?

All the worlds countries have agreed Global Warming is stuffing the world!

They cant all be wrong you dopes!

You are a mob of fluckwits!  Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #1 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:39pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
What the fluck are all the deniers going to do?

All the worlds countries have agreed Global Warming is stuffing the world!

They cant all be wrong you dopes!

You are a mob of fluckwits!  Grin Grin Grin Grin





You forgot about Trump. Trump makes Monckton look like a genius by comparison.
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Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:34pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
What the fluck are all the deniers going to do?

All the worlds countries have agreed Global Warming is stuffing the world!

They cant all be wrong you dopes!

You are a mob of fluckwits!  Grin Grin Grin Grin



Sceptics will continue to do as we have....Ask questions, ask for answers and wait for the 'Paris Accord' to fall over and be ignored by most of the developed countries...
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Reply #3 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:38pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:39pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
What the fluck are all the deniers going to do?

All the worlds countries have agreed Global Warming is stuffing the world!

They cant all be wrong you dopes!

You are a mob of fluckwits!  Grin Grin Grin Grin





You forgot about Trump. Trump makes Monckton look like a genius by comparison.


Monckton looks like a genius compared to lots of people......perhaps because  he actually might be a genius.
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #4 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:43pm
 
Monckton, a genious?

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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:43pm:
Monckton, a genious?

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No, a genius...And a person who invented a puzzle that took to Cambridge mathematicians to solve would certainly have an IQ close to or at genius level.
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #6 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:06pm
 
An IQ close to genius level.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

popeyed lunatic more like!
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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:18pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:06pm:
An IQ close to genius level.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

popeyed lunatic more like!


Do you enjoy making fun of people with medical conditions, monk???
Is your stupidity cause by a medical condition, or just 'natural talent'??
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:23pm
 
No, it is just bleeding obvious that Monckton is a raving lunatic!
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Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:34pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
No, a genius...And a person who invented a puzzle that took to Cambridge mathematicians to solve would certainly have an IQ close to or at genius level.


Yeah I heard about that.  He thought it was impossible, and it was solved within a year. 

He is a complete moron about climate science though which is the only reason anybody pays attention to him now days, either that or astoundingly dishonest.
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Reply #10 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:35pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Sceptics will continue to do as we have....Ask questions, ask for answers ...


Yes.

Sceptics will remain open-minded.

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Denialists will remain closed–minded.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
Denialists will remain closed–minded.


You mean those people who insist we can change climate? That deny climate change is natural?
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Reply #13 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:47pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:23pm:
No, it is just bleeding obvious that Monckton is a raving lunatic!



Call the Oxford Dictionary people...we have a new definition of "raving lunatic": Anyone who disagrees with Monk. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #14 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:05pm
 
Mockton is a lunatic.

He even pretends to be a member of the House of Lords tho he isn’t.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Mockton is a lunatic.

He even pretends to be a member of the House of Lords tho he isn’t.



Except he is. He is a Lord. Therefore he is a member of the House of Lords. But is not allowed to sit or vote.
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lee wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:15pm:
Except he is. He is a Lord. Therefore he is a member of the House of Lords. But is not allowed to sit or vote.



http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/

Quote:
I must repeat my predecessor's statement that you are not and have never been a Member of the House of Lords. Your assertion that you are a Member, but without the right to sit or vote, is a contradiction in terms.


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Reply #17 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 11:34pm
 
They are all laughing all the way to the bank.
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Reply #18 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 4:33am
 
Yup, lunatics paying to listen to other lunatics.
I would feel sorry for those lunatics if the matter wasn’t so serious.
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Reply #19 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:20am
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:20pm:
http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/



'"The House of Lords Act 1999 debarred all but 92 of the 650 Hereditary Peers, including my father, from sitting or voting, and purported to – but did not – remove membership of the Upper House. Letters Patent granting Peerages, and consequently membership, are the personal gift of the Monarch. Only a specific law can annul a grant. The 1992 Act was a general law. The then Government, realizing this defect, took three maladroit steps: it wrote asking expelled Peers to return their Letters Patent (though that does not annul them); in 2009 it withdrew the passes admitting expelled Peers to the House (and implying they were members); and it told the enquiry clerks to deny they were members: but a written Parliamentary Answer by the Lord President of the Council admits that general legislation cannot annul Letters Patent, so, as my passport shows, I am The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley." '
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He has, since 2011, won a court case confirming he is a Lord of th Realm and is therefore a non-sitting member of the House of Lords
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Reply #20 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:22am
 
Jones is hoping they're all meeting in the public toilet in Bicentennial park on Saturday night. Cheesy Cheesy
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lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:20am:
non-sitting member of the House of Lords


Did you not read the statement?

Stratos wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:20pm:
Your assertion that you are a Member, but without the right to sit or vote, is a contradiction in terms.


Is he a Lord?  Yes.  Is he a member of the House of Lords?  No, two separate things.  Either way, don't care, I'm more concerned about his continual lies and lack of knowledge of science.

I like that he claims to have written peer reviewed articles, what a complete naughty fib that one is Tongue May explain why he constantly misquotes people, not understanding the slightest thing about science and all.
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Reply #22 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:58am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:43pm:
Monckton, a genious?

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No, a genius...And a person who invented a puzzle that took to Cambridge mathematicians to solve would certainly have an IQ close to or at genius level.



The problem is like a lot of geniuses, it means he thinks he's a genius in lots of areas, rather than a specific area.
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Reply #23 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:32am
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 8:41am:
Is he a Lord?  Yes.  Is he a member of the House of Lords?  No, two separate things.



A hereditary Lord is automatically a member of the House of Lords.

As for misquotes pleas show one.

And actually he has written peer-reviewed papers. You just need to search.

Try duckduckgo instead of Goo-le, they have a policy of not linking to sceptical articles unless absolutely forced by weight of numbers.
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He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.
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Reply #25 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:58am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:35am:
He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.


Nope, wrong again. Viscount ranks higher than Baron, and the ONLY reason he cannot sit in the House of Lords is Tony Blair's House of Lords Act 1999, which limited the number of hereditary peers allowed to sit in the House of Lords to 92.
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lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:32am:
As for misquotes pleas show one.


Sir John Houghton's quote which he never said is repeated often.  Find me where he ever said "Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen".

lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:32am:
And actually he has written peer-reviewed papers. You just need to search.


Your turn, fine me a single peer reviewed paper he has written.
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:58am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:35am:
He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.


Nope, wrong again. Viscount ranks higher than Baron, and the ONLY reason he cannot sit in the House of Lords is Tony Blair's House of Lords Act 1999, which limited the number of hereditary peers allowed to sit in the House of Lords to 92.

I have read differently, and he is not a member of the House of Lords, just one of his many lies.
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lee wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:45pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
Denialists will remain closed–minded.


You mean those people who insist we can change climate? That deny climate change is natural?

The world doesn't agree with you  Grin Grin
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Reply #29 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 12:31pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
What the fluck are all the deniers going to do?

All the worlds countries have agreed Global Warming is stuffing the world!

They cant all be wrong you dopes!

You are a mob of fluckwits!  Grin Grin Grin Grin



Sceptics will continue to do as we have....Ask questions, ask for answers and wait for the 'Paris Accord' to fall over and be ignored by most of the developed countries...

YOU WILL NEVER PROVIDE ANY ANSWERS BUT WILL YOU  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #30 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 1:47pm
 
Ask questions? You deniers just say “No! Oh god, don’t let change actually be happening!” whenever more evidence we are changing the climate is published.


OK, you don’t post the “Oh god. . .” bit but I bet you think so!

The south is drying out you know, as predicted by AGW scientists.

Emit more greenhouse gas, get more of a greenhouse effect, how the hell could it be otherwise?
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Cry, stamp their feet and be dragged kicking and screaming into a more energy efficient world.
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You’d think they hate clean air!
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Stratos wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:59am:
Your turn, fine me a single peer reviewed paper he has written.


A major peer-reviewed climate physics paper in the first issue (January 2015: vol. 60 no. 1) of the prestigious Science Bulletin (formerly Chinese Science Bulletin), the journal of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, exposes elementary but serious errors in the general-circulation models relied on by the UN's climate panel, the IPCC. The errors were the reason for concern about Man's effect on climate. Without them, there is no climate crisis.

http://phys.org/news/2015-01-peer-reviewed-pocket-calculator-climate-exposes-err...

John Houghton - ' In fact, he denies emphatically that he ever said it at any time, either verbally or in writing.

In fact, his view on the matter of generating scare stories to publicise climate change is quite the opposite. "There are those who will say 'unless we announce disasters, no one will listen', but I'm not one of them," Sir John told The Independent.

"It's not the sort of thing I would ever say. It's quite the opposite of what I think and it pains me to see this quote being used repeatedly in this way. I would never say we should hype up the risk of climate disasters in order to get noticed," he said.'

So what did he say?

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/sir-john-houghton-objective-scientist...

'In a November 2006 article in Australia's The Daily Telegraph, journalist Piers Akerman quoted Houghton as saying "Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen", attributing the quotation to his 1994 book Global Warming, The Complete Briefing. This has since been quoted by many sceptics, including Benny Peiser and Christopher Monckton.'

http://us.wow.com/wiki/John_T._Houghton

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lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
So he misquoted a misquotation?


So he's just lazy and never checks his sources.  There are more by the way. if you want me to find them

lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
A major peer-reviewed climate physics paper in the first issue (January 2015: vol. 60 no. 1)



Ah, I was unaware of this, thank you!  Still, if this is the only thing he has to his name in the scientific literature it makes all the many many many times he has claimed to have been a published in peer reviewed scientific journals before this date a lie.

Turns out the same journal later published a rebuttal paper too by the way, have you had a chance to check it out?

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11434-015-0806-z#/page-1
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:58am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:35am:
He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.


Nope, wrong again. Viscount ranks higher than Baron, and the ONLY reason he cannot sit in the House of Lords is Tony Blair's House of Lords Act 1999, which limited the number of hereditary peers allowed to sit in the House of Lords to 92.

I have read differently, and he is not a member of the House of Lords, just one of his many lies.


No, the title of Viscount Monckton of Brenchley DID, up until 1999, have membership (or the right to attend) the House of Lords. Monckton's father was there regularly from when he ascended to the title in 1965.

And the correct form of address when speaking to or about a Viscount is in fact "Lord" (insert name)
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Ah well, learn something every day.

He is still a fruitcake tho.
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Reply #37 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:53pm
 
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Ah well, learn something every day.



Yes, and you still have much to learn.
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Turns out the same journal later published a rebuttal paper too by the way, have you had a chance to check it out?

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11434-015-0806-z#/page-1



Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger. Works for an evil oil company too.

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lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm:
Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.


So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article.  This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie?  Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit:  my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature
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Stratos wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 10:04pm:
lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm:
Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.


So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article.  This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie?  Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit:  my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature


And works for a company that operates in oil and gas exploration and mining.... Grin Grin Grin
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Hence the denialism.
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Reply #42 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 5:12pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:58pm:
Stratos wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 10:04pm:
lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm:
Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.


So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article.  This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie?  Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit:  my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature


And works for a company that operates in oil and gas exploration and mining.... Grin Grin Grin

Plenty of climate change believers work in oil and gas: money is money!

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Reply #43 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 7:40pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 4:29pm:
Ah well, learn something every day.

He is still a fruitcake tho.



And still far less of a 'fruitcake' than the likes Tim Flannery and Al Gore 'tho'..or even "Though"...
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Reply #44 - Dec 25th, 2015 at 7:43pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 5:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 11:58pm:
Stratos wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 10:04pm:
lee wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm:
Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.


So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article.  This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie?  Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit:  my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature


And works for a company that operates in oil and gas exploration and mining.... Grin Grin Grin

Plenty of climate change believers work in oil and gas: money is money!

It's like being a scientist who goes to church  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

It's called mixed market economies: the problem is one of government regulation!


So why do climate change sceptics get such a hard time for working for oil and gas companies??? Double standards, or whatt??
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:58am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:35am:
He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.


Nope, wrong again. Viscount ranks higher than Baron, and the ONLY reason he cannot sit in the House of Lords is Tony Blair's House of Lords Act 1999, which limited the number of hereditary peers allowed to sit in the House of Lords to 92.

Which can only be a GOOD thing.. Roll Eyes Grin

After all, do you really care.?  I mean, do you think a 'Lord' is  more knowledgeable and trustworthy than most of the world's scientists. ??  Grin Cheesy

Looney Tunes people.
Smiley I'll keep on reading.  I wonder if this early irrelevance continues. Roll Eyes
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Emma wrote on Dec 26th, 2015 at 11:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:58am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14th, 2015 at 9:35am:
He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.


Nope, wrong again. Viscount ranks higher than Baron, and the ONLY reason he cannot sit in the House of Lords is Tony Blair's House of Lords Act 1999, which limited the number of hereditary peers allowed to sit in the House of Lords to 92.

Which can only be a GOOD thing.. Roll Eyes Grin

After all, do you really care.?  I mean, do you think a 'Lord' is  more knowledgeable and trustworthy than most of the world's scientists. ??  Grin Cheesy

Looney Tunes people.
Smiley I'll keep on reading.  I wonder if this early irrelevance continues. Roll Eyes


Ahh well, it's not about his title...it's about where he gets the information that he uses from...and in this case it comes FROM a substantial number of knowledgeable 'world's scientists'....

Dismissing what Monckton says, simply because he has a title, or (as monk did) because of a thyroid condition is the Looney Tunes action.
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Monckton has a lot to thank Trump for.  Trump has stolen his title as the world's most ridiculous Climate Denialist.


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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 9:39am:
Ahh well, it's not about his title...it's about where he gets the information that he uses from...and in this case it comes FROM a substantial number of knowledgeable 'world's scientists'....


If by "comes from" you mean either deliberately or due to his own incompetence misquotes, then sure.
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 9:39am:
Ahh well, it's not about his title...it's about where he gets the information that he uses from...and in this case it comes FROM a substantial number of knowledgeable 'world's scientists'....


If by "comes from" you mean either deliberately or due to his own incompetence misquotes, then sure.


I don't mean any of that...I mean the information comes from qualified climate scientists, most of whom are fairly well respected in the profession.
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WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?

Combine and see if they can collectively match the IQ of a dead rabbit ?
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the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 3:14pm:
I have to ask, what is a 'climate denialist'?


"climate denialist" is what anthropogenic climate change 'true believers' call sceptics in a fairly pathetic attempt to link climate scepticism to Holocaust denial...I think implication is that not accepting the word of people like Al Gore, Michael Mann and John (the cartoonist) Cook is the same as believing that Holocaust was a hoax.

There was a paper written by a warmist, that tried to link climate sceptics to moon landing hoaxers too...it got torn apart but lots of experts...
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I don't mean any of that...I mean the information comes from qualified climate scientists, most of whom are fairly well respected in the profession.


Indeed, he just misquotes them, either maliciously or though his own scientific ignorance.  Journalist Peter Hadfield did an excellent job going through a multitude of his claims and showing why Monckton is much mistaken in many of them.  If you still think he is credible I suggest you check out his short video series.
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Stratos wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
I don't mean any of that...I mean the information comes from qualified climate scientists, most of whom are fairly well respected in the profession.


Indeed, he just misquotes them, either maliciously or though his own scientific ignorance.  Journalist Peter Hadfield did an excellent job going through a multitude of his claims and showing why Monckton is much mistaken in many of them.  If you still think he is credible I suggest you check out his short video series.


How odd, I've never seen Monckton misquote climate scientists like Roger Pielke, Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer, Tim Ball or Bob Carter. I have seen him point out errors made by the likes of Michael Mann and Phil Jones though..
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:35pm:
Tim Ball


Oh right, so he quotes another liar accurately, that's good to know Grin Grin

If Tim Ball is such a big deal why does he lie about his resume?
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:35pm:
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Oh right, so he quotes another liar accurately, that's good to know Grin Grin

If Tim Ball is such a big deal why does he lie about his resume?


No idea why he lied about his resume...don't know the man, so I'm not really able to comment...

*edit: Ok so scratch Tim Ball off the list..
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No idea why he lied about his resume...don't know the man, so I'm not really able to comment...


See, this is the problem when you take liars like Monckton at their word.  If you don't bother checking their information, of course you will be taken in by a charismatic and confident speaker

I fully agree this applies to both sides of the debate.  People would save so much time and argument if they just looked into claims.
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Stratos wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 6:50pm:
No idea why he lied about his resume...don't know the man, so I'm not really able to comment...


See, this is the problem when you take liars like Monckton at their word.  If you don't bother checking their information, of course you will be taken in by a charismatic and confident speaker

I fully agree this applies to both sides of the debate.  People would save so much time and argument if they just looked into claims.


Yes it does apply to both sides....i.e Michael Mann and Phil Jones spring to mind (Climategate), also John Cook et al with the "97% consensus among papers taking a position on the cause of global warming" article, and the Doran and Zimmerman "97% of scientists agree" bulldust...

The fact the Tim Ball 'padded' his resume doesn't make Monckton a liar though...since Lindzen, Christy, Carter etc haven't said or implied that Monckton has 'misquoted them'. I'm sure scientists of their calibre would do so, after all being misquoted would be damaging to their profession reputations.
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I agree Gizmo,  the lies and obfuscations from the 'warmists' are really hurtful to the cause. If the problem is so dire; why exaggerate?
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the good ole boys wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:26pm:
I agree Gizmo,  the lies and obfuscations from the 'warmists' are really hurtful to the cause. If the problem is so dire; why exaggerate?


That is a very good question...The only reason to obfuscate and over play the message might be because the truth is nowhere near as 'dire' as we are supposed to believe.
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I doubt that.gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
The only reason to obfuscate and over play the message might be because the truth is nowhere near as 'dire' as we are supposed to believe.


For a start, you 'declare' the ONLY reason to lie,,MIGHT be..??   ..  Grin

I can think of plenty of reasons for deniers to push their cause..  and really the Earth is telling us the truth.

Like No Snow in Moscow Shocked
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200 hundred year old buildings washed away in UK ( 1 months rain in a day) from unprecedented rainfall and flooding, with more to come
Tornadoes decimating the central and mid west states, so far.

DARLINGS... why listen to talking heads with agendas, when you can see it on the News EVERY F'N day.!!

Pull you heads out of the ether, and look around at the real world.
Angry  Not very smart people, are you.?

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Further.. look to our wildlife.

In particular wetland birds. A report just released shows that no wetland birds are breeding in Australia, except for black swans in one small location. The bird count is drastically below the average, and bodes ill for the future of our wildlife . We have created a dying world.. we should try to stop this, irrespective of economic costs, because , purely for reasonable self-interest, we will die out too, when the bees and bats and birds are gone. Sad
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Emma wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:25pm:
I doubt that.gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
The only reason to obfuscate and over play the message might be because the truth is nowhere near as 'dire' as we are supposed to believe.


For a start, you 'declare' the ONLY reason to lie,,MIGHT be..??   ..  Grin

I can think of plenty of reasons for deniers to push their cause..  and really the Earth is telling us the truth.

Like No Snow in Moscow Shocked
New Yorkers riding bikes in mid-winter
200 hundred year old buildings washed away in UK ( 1 months rain in a day) from unprecedented rainfall and flooding, with more to come
Tornadoes decimating the central and mid west states, so far.


DARLINGS... why listen to talking heads with agendas, when you can see it on the News EVERY F'N day.!!

Pull you heads out of the ether, and look around at the real world.
Angry  Not very smart people, are you.?



Ok, only reason 'I can see'...that better??

Like No Snow in Moscow
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New Yorkers riding bikes in mid-winter
"Temperatures passed the record of 64 F set in 1923 on Sunday and tied the record of 67 set in 1881 on Monday, despite extensive clouds and fog."

Well, looks like it's not the first time New York has had mild winter
weather
(and as warmists keep telling us, weather is not climate)

200 hundred year old buildings washed away in UK ( 1 months rain in a day) from unprecedented rainfall and flooding, with more to come
." The UK has had floods and heavy rain before, 'unprecedented' usually means nothing more than 'there's nothing in the written records like it'
Tornadoes decimating the central and mid west states, so far
. That happens ever year. Even the IPCC has said there is no evidence of any increase in number or severity of extreme weather events, in fact there's been a decline.

None of the events you listed are actually proof of HUMAN influence on climate......

I'd suggest that you might need to "pull your head out of the ether, and look around at the real world"
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Emma wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:40pm:
Further.. look to our wildlife.

In particular wetland birds. A report just released shows that no wetland birds are breeding in Australia, except for black swans in one small location. The bird count is drastically below the average, and bodes ill for the future of our wildlife . We have created a dying world.. we should try to stop this, irrespective of economic costs, because , purely for reasonable self-interest, we will die out too, when the bees and bats and birds are gone. Sad


Actually, that report doesn't say that 'no wetland birds are breeding', it says there is DROP in breeding rates of 60% over the last 33 years. (and they've only been studying the breeding rates since 1983, so that's pretty short cycle to work on)

Please stop trying to overstate everything for "effect"...it makes you look very naive and gullible.
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What the fluck are all the deniers going to do?

All the worlds countries have agreed Global Warming is stuffing the world!

They cant all be wrong you dopes!

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200 hundred year old buildings washed away in UK ( 1 months rain in a day) from unprecedented rainfall and flooding, with more to come
." The UK has had floods and heavy rain before, 'unprecedented' usually means nothing more than 'there's nothing in the written records like it'



Much like the El Nino year of 1997.

'A Met Office forecast warns of potential flooding caused by more than one and a half foot of rain, with councils and emergency services told to be on standby for what will "more likely than not" become "the strongest ever" El Nino on record. '

'A Met Office spokesperson said: "This year’s El Niño started to grow in April and it has now become a strong, mature event similar to the landmark 1997-8 event. '

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11983384/Three-months-of-storms-set-to-b...

Ah, weather- what's not to like?
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Emma wrote on Dec 27th, 2015 at 10:40pm:
Further.. look to our wildlife.

In particular wetland birds. A report just released shows that no wetland birds are breeding in Australia, except for black swans in one small location. The bird count is drastically below the average, and bodes ill for the future of our wildlife . We have created a dying world.. we should try to stop this, irrespective of economic costs, because , purely for reasonable self-interest, we will die out too, when the bees and bats and birds are gone. Sad


The report is centred on eastern Australia. Not Australia.

The professor compares 2015 to 2011. But 2011 was a flood year not a drought year. Wildlife breed to conditions? Who knew?
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Climate change is about carbon dioxide emissions,  right? How come much of climate change evidence actually relates to deforestation, salinity,  water pollution and air pollution? Don't get me wrong; I reckon they're the real threats to mother Earth (along with overpopulation-another argument for another day). Still, is climate change a 'specific' descriptor of one way mankind is f$*ing up the planet or a blanket term that is lazily used to describe every way?
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yes I agree.. and it is a lazy way of defining what is a truly complex issue.

At the very least, I got you all out of arguing about who said what about what when why, and got you looking at the real world.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 9:50am:
Actually, that report doesn't say that 'no wetland birds are breeding', it says there is DROP in breeding rates of 60% over the last 33 years. (and they've only been studying the breeding rates since 1983, so that's pretty short cycle to work on)


Umm yeah.. I wonder why you don't consider this is an issue of concern.. why so dismissive?.

I know the big wet a few years ago increased numbers of wetland birds, not seen for years. Lake Eyre was actually filled.

This latest monsoon season may allow waters to flow there again, but I guess we need to wait and se. After all, this is a cyclical system.

Goes around comes around.

If we keep over-using our water supplies for inefficient crops, we are adding to the damage done by 'natural events'.

There are so many ways we could act, but economics rule. The money is the most important consideration, but it is a short-sighted and flawed philosophy on which to run a world. Sad
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Reply #72 - Dec 28th, 2015 at 9:30pm
 
Emma wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
yes I agree.. and it is a lazy way of defining what is a truly complex issue.

At the very least, I got you all out of arguing about who said what about what when why, and got you looking at the real world.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 28th, 2015 at 9:50am:
Actually, that report doesn't say that 'no wetland birds are breeding', it says there is DROP in breeding rates of 60% over the last 33 years. (and they've only been studying the breeding rates since 1983, so that's pretty short cycle to work on)


Umm yeah.. I wonder why you don't consider this is an issue of concern.. why so dismissive?.

I know the big wet a few years ago increased numbers of wetland birds, not seen for years. Lake Eyre was actually filled.

This latest monsoon season may allow waters to flow there again, but I guess we need to wait and se. After all, this is a cyclical system.

Goes around comes around.

If we keep over-using our water supplies for inefficient crops, we are adding to the damage done by 'natural events'.

There are so many ways we could act, but economics rule. The money is the most important consideration, but it is a short-sighted and flawed philosophy on which to run a world. Sad


Why am I so dismissive?? Perhaps because a study length of just 33 years isn't long enough to cover one full cycle of dry/wet conditions in Australian wetlands..So saying the breeding rate is down 60%, without knowing whether the comparison rate (the +40% rate) is unusual or not really doesn't give a clear idea of the issue.
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I'd imagine its pretty dry where you are.. I thought the study report I referred to covered more time than you suggest. I may be wrong on that,  BUT....   

given human industrial activity has been largely un- monitored until relatively recently,  this is a trend no-one should consider unimportant.

IT SPEAKS to a much larger impact than just the results of LOCAL WEATHER.

Many important areas of research have been very poorly funded, precisely because the multi-nats DON'T WANT the truth to be known.
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Like No Snow in Moscow
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Moscow's City Hall said it expects the snowstorm, which is due to continue at least until Friday morning, to be the [b]biggest in November in 50 years. Other parts of Europe experienced their first snowfall of the season."
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Well it seems there IS snow in Moscow.

But that was in November.  I'm talking about now.


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How come much of climate change evidence actually relates to deforestation, salinity,  water pollution and air pollution? Don't get me wrong; I reckon they're the real threats to mother Earth (along with overpopulation-another argument for another day).
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I think over-population is THE main threat to mother earth.

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Emma wrote on Dec 29th, 2015 at 12:50am:
How come much of climate change evidence actually relates to deforestation, salinity,  water pollution and air pollution? Don't get me wrong; I reckon they're the real threats to mother Earth (along with overpopulation-another argument for another day).
-the good ole boys

I think over-population is THE main threat to mother earth.

Everything follows from that. Sad



The only thing I can agree with you on all the above you have written is deforestation, that must contribute more than any other factor you mentioned.

But the current warming is more natural than manmade, mans emissions of CO2 only play a very very MINOR role.

Now about over population what do you suggest...???

Want to lead the way and jump of the nearest bridge..!!!!
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you want ME to solve the over-population of earth by humans.?  Smiley  I appreciate your confidence,  but it isn't necessary, because ..?

Our mother Earth is winnowing as we speak. .

All around the world, the elements are speaking.
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Emma wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 2:10am:
you want ME to solve the over-population of earth by humans.?  Smiley  I appreciate your confidence,  but it isn't necessary, because ..?

Our mother Earth is winnowing as we speak. .

All around the world, the elements are speaking.


If you're talking about natural disasters I think the Earth has always had them all you need do is look into history.

If you're talking about the islands of plastic in our oceans lets clean them up I'm all for that, deforestation or our polluted rivers or insecticides or air pollution lets clean all this up I agree with you 100%.

But all of the above would barely contribute to global warming the current warming is mostly natural the Earth's temperature fluctuates up and down as history shows there is no way humans can make the Earth's temperature flat line.

Do you agree with the New World Order then....????

That the Earth's population should never exceed 500 million people.

Quote:
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1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.


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Ajax wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 6:55am:
[quote author=jalane3311@yahoo.c link=1449995234/78#78 date=1451491816]you want ME to solve the over-population of earth by humans.?  Smiley  I appreciate your confidence,  but it isn't necessary, because ..?

Our mother Earth is winnowing as we speak. .

All around the world, the elements are speaking.


If you're talking about natural disasters I think the Earth has always had them all you need do is look into history.

If you're talking about the islands of plastic in our oceans lets clean them up I'm all for that, deforestation or our polluted rivers or insecticides or air pollution lets clean all this up I agree with you 100%.

But all of the above would barely contribute to global warming the current warming is mostly natural the Earth's temperature fluctuates up and down as history shows there is no way humans can make the Earth's temperature flat line.

I applaud your confidence, but don't see how your comments are relevant.
You too blithely reject the reality.  Huh

Based on history, such as we know it..? Rather a bold assumption you make, I'd say.


Of course I agree we must do something... oh by the way..?  Is any nation trying to do anything about  "the islands of plastic in our oceans"?.

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tackle the distortion in distribution and access to resources first

Overpopulation is used to justify the greed and waste based lifestyles of the elite and specific nations.

The USA consumes 1/3 of the worlds resources, produces about 30% of the worlds waste and pollution and yet it only makes up about 5% of the total global human population.

We could have a world comprising of about 1 billion US citizens and the effect on the environment and resource base would be the same as about 7 billion Chinese or 39 billion Inuit Indigenous people or 27 billion Mauritians.

So the fear mongers on over population always seem to come from the nations who are doing the most damage with their decadent and wasteful communities and individualistic/materialistic lifestyles.

they need to apologise
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Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 10:16am:
tackle the distortion in distribution and access to resources first

Overpopulation is used to justify the greed and waste based lifestyles of the elite and specific nations.

The USA consumes 1/3 of the worlds resources, produces about 30% of the worlds waste and pollution and yet it only makes up about 5% of the total global human population.

We could have a world comprising of about 1 billion US citizens and the effect on the environment and resource base would be the same as about 7 billion Chinese or 39 billion Inuit Indigenous people or 27 billion Mauritians.

So the fear mongers on over population always seem to come from the nations who are doing the most damage with their decadent and wasteful communities and individualistic/materialistic lifestyles.

they need to apologise
You just wrote this rubbish up straight out of your head, didn't you? There isn't a billion Americans and I  doubt they create 30% of the worlds pollution.
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Emma wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:33pm:
Is any nation trying to do anything about  "the islands of plastic in our oceans"?.


'In the Pacific Ocean, four ocean currents merge to form the North Pacific gyre, also known as the North Pacific Subtropical High, which spans the western US to Japan, and Hawaii to California. This enormous rotating vortex has collected floating garbage from across the Pacific, but much of the debris can typically be found in the calm center of this rotating area, often referred to as the "eastern Pacific garbage patch." Keep in mind, however, that this is no island or blanket of trash that can be seen with satellite or aerial photographs—most of the floating trash is tiny pieces of plastic, many of them so small as to be invisible to the human eye.'

http://ocean.si.edu/ocean-news/ocean-trash-plaguing-our-sea

From the Smithsonian Institute.

And then of course they break down further. All those bits of carbon compound sequestered in the deep ocean.

'First, the name “garbage patch” is a misnomer. There is no island of trash forming in the middle of the ocean, and it cannot be seen with satellite or aerial photographs. While it’s true that these areas have a higher concentration of plastic than other parts of the ocean, much of the debris found in these areas are small bits of plastic (microplastics) that are suspended throughout the water column.  A comparison I like to use is that the debris is more like flecks of pepper floating throughout a bowl of soup, rather than a skim of fat that accumulates (or sits) on the surface.'

https://marinedebrisblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/garbage-patches-what-we-really...

From NOAA


One of the images used to visualise the Great Garbage Patch.

But the caption reads:

Caption:An aerial view of damage to Wakuya, Japan after a 9.0 magnitude earthquake and subsequent tsunami devastated the area in northern Japan. Ships and aircraft from the Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group are conducting search and rescue operations and re-supply missions as directed in support of Operation Tomodachi throughout northern Japan.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RuyzzkR5--/c_scale,fl_progre...

' You've probably heard of the "Pacific garbage patch," also called the "trash vortex." It's a region of the North Pacific ocean where the northern jet stream and the southern trade winds, moving opposite directions, create a vast, gently circling region of water called the North Pacific Gyre — and at its center, there are tons of plastic garbage. You may even have seen this picture of the garbage patch, above — right? Wrong.

That image, widely mislabeled as a shot of the Pacific garbage patch, is actually from Manila harbor. '
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5911969/lies-youve-been-told-about-the-pacific-garbage-pa...

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Hmm how ugly  Shocked

So the answer to my question is no. No nation or group is tackling this. In the Too Hard Basket?.


I agree with all the suggestions re cutting down our current use, but that doesn't come close to addressing this mass of human waste befouling the seas and oceans.

It is so ugly, it is a real indictment of human power on earth. Sad

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the good ole boys wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 10:41am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 10:16am:
tackle the distortion in distribution and access to resources first

Overpopulation is used to justify the greed and waste based lifestyles of the elite and specific nations.

The USA consumes 1/3 of the worlds resources, produces about 30% of the worlds waste and pollution and yet it only makes up about 5% of the total global human population.

We could have a world comprising of about 1 billion US citizens and the effect on the environment and resource base would be the same as about 7 billion Chinese or 39 billion Inuit Indigenous people or 27 billion Mauritians.

So the fear mongers on over population always seem to come from the nations who are doing the most damage with their decadent and wasteful communities and individualistic/materialistic lifestyles.

they need to apologise
You just wrote this rubbish up straight out of your head, didn't you? There isn't a billion Americans and I  doubt they create 30% of the worlds pollution.

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Chimp_Logic wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 10:16am:
tackle the distortion in distribution and access to resources first

Overpopulation is used to justify the greed and waste based lifestyles of the elite and specific nations.

The USA consumes 1/3 of the worlds resources, produces about 30% of the worlds waste and pollution and yet it only makes up about 5% of the total global human population.

We could have a world comprising of about 1 billion US citizens and the effect on the environment and resource base would be the same as about 7 billion Chinese or 39 billion Inuit Indigenous people or 27 billion Mauritians.

So the fear mongers on over population always seem to come from the nations who are doing the most damage with their decadent and wasteful communities and individualistic/materialistic lifestyles.

they need to apologise

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Emma wrote on Dec 29th, 2015 at 12:50am:
How come much of climate change evidence actually relates to deforestation, salinity,  water pollution and air pollution? Don't get me wrong; I reckon they're the real threats to mother Earth (along with overpopulation-another argument for another day).
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No, because the climate is being affected by the rich- not the overpopulated!
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I agree the wealthy account for much more waste than the poor.. that is an obvious conclusion, and somewhat irrelevant. Too many people, of all descriptions, are responsible. That has been my view for decades Deathray. 

There are too many people on earth. Humans are just out of control organisms,  inhabiting the skin of our mother, BUT, using your analogy.... causing more harm as organisms, than any other existing currently.

Don't you see?  the struggle goes well beyond wealth, or class, or entitlement...  it really is that we humans have a collective deathwish, disguised as capitalism (?) among many other cults.,, so that any harm, regardless of consequence , is encouraged in the name of growth. A particularly skewed and foolish objective, when achieving it lays waste to our mother Earth


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Emma wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 8:05pm:
So the answer to my question is no. No nation or group is tackling this. In the Too Hard Basket?.



Well the photo of Manila harbour clearly belongs to the Philiipines, so they should clean that up.

The other that I couldn't get to display was in Japan after an earhquake, so it is the Japanese to clean up.

As for the microplastics - do you trawl with micro-filters? What happens to the by-catch?

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Emma wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 8:40pm:
it really is that we humans have a collective deathwish, disguised as capitalism (?) among many other cults.,, so that any harm, regardless of consequence , is encouraged in the name of growth



And those not of the capitalistic persuasion?
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As for the microplastics - do you trawl with micro-filters? What happens to the by-catch?

Err, the by-catch would probably be glad for a more merciful death than starving to death or blocked to buggery. Why, what do you care.?


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Posted by: lee   Posted on: Today at 8:43pm
Emma Peel wrote Today at 8:40pm:

it really is that we humans have a collective deathwish, disguised as capitalism (?) among many other cults.,, so that any harm, regardless of consequence , is encouraged in the name of growth


And those not of the capitalistic persuasion?


Can you not read and comprehend?

disguised as capitalism (?) among many other cults

Why, what do you care.?

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Emma wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 8:40pm:
I agree the wealthy account for much more waste than the poor.. that is an obvious conclusion, and somewhat irrelevant. Too many people, of all descriptions, are responsible. That has been my view for decades Deathray. 

There are too many people on earth. Humans are just out of control organisms,  inhabiting the skin of our mother, BUT, using your analogy.... causing more harm as organisms, than any other existing currently.

Don't you see?  the struggle goes well beyond wealth, or class, or entitlement...  it really is that we humans have a collective deathwish, disguised as capitalism (?) among many other cults.,, so that any harm, regardless of consequence , is encouraged in the name of growth. A particularly skewed and foolish objective, when achieving it lays waste to our mother Earth



Sure, population doesn't help but I was just trying to say that the greed of the matter is in the exact fact that capitalism depends on keeping the poor poor and then giving them a lotto ticket to add customers and call it immigration.

This whole game could be seen as a consequence of impending doom caused by population, sure.
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Reply #93 - Jan 1st, 2016 at 11:01pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 1st, 2016 at 9:01pm:
Err, the by-catch would probably be glad for a more merciful death than starving to death or blocked to buggery. Why, what do you care.?



Funny - not. Micro-filters would take everything.

I think they would probably prefer not.

Why do I care? I am a fisherman of sorts. I like fishing. It is not even imperative to catch fish every time. But occasionally it is nice. otherwise it is not fishing.

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disguised as capitalism (?) among many other cults


Ah, yes. Cargo cult - the climate change that is allegedly sinking islands. Please send recompense.
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Reply #94 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:08am
 
In a timely newsbite.,
I see there is a person, just one, who has put together other people to scoop out this plastic infestation from the Pacific. That is the goal.

Specially designed scoops and the Will of people to try to reduce this horror of human detritus is inspiring.
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Emma wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:08am:
In a timely newsbite.,
I see there is a person, just one, who has put together other people to scoop out this plastic infestation from the Pacific. That is the goal.

Specially designed scoops and the Will of people to try to reduce this horror of human detritus is inspiring.



Micro-filter scoops? More detail please.
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lee wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 10:44am:
Emma wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:08am:
In a timely newsbite.,
I see there is a person, just one, who has put together other people to scoop out this plastic infestation from the Pacific. That is the goal.

Specially designed scoops and the Will of people to try to reduce this horror of human detritus is inspiring.



Micro-filter scoops? More detail please.


Like I said Lee.. it was a newsbite..very little detail on the actual scoop... although the scoops were shown in the film coverage of this endeavour.

YOU are the one who said micro-filter. However, I imagine you could find out more about it if you want.

I just find it an interesting confluence of ideas, given recent posts on these plastic 'masses' in our oceans.

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Is here a link?
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Reply #98 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:30pm
 
Well I don't have one. I can't even remember which TV channel I saw it on. 

This young man was in his 20's, a person of French extraction.
It may have been Seven Early News Qld, or another free - to - Air News.  I don't pay for TV.

It was one of them. Perhps 10 ? 

Nevertheless, heartening to hear that someone has the heart to make an effort.!!
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Oh and I remember more of the content, so it seems this Pacific garbage dump as mapped by these doers is 1.4 milliom klm in diameter. Larger than the state of Texas.
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Emma wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:59pm:
Oh and I remember more of the content, so it seems this Pacific garbage dump as mapped by these doers is 1.4 milliom klm in diameter. Larger than the state of Texas.


'Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" or "trash vortex", believes that about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region. Marcus Eriksen, a research director of the US-based Algalita Marine Research Foundation, which Mr Moore founded, said yesterday: "The original idea that people had was that it was an island of plastic garbage that you could almost walk on. It is not quite like that. It is almost like a plastic soup. It is endless for an area that is maybe twice the size as continental United States." '

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/the-worlds-rubbish-dump-a-...

' Estimates of size range from 700,000 square kilometres (270,000 sq mi) (about the size of Texas) to more than 15,000,000 square kilometres (5,800,000 sq mi) (0.41% to 8.1% of the size of the Pacific Ocean), or, in some media reports, up to "twice the size of the continental United States".[20] Such estimates, however, are conjectural given the complexities of sampling and the need to assess findings against other areas. Further, although the size of the patch is determined by a higher-than-normal degree of concentration of pelagic debris, there is no standard for determining the boundary between "normal" and "elevated" levels of pollutants to provide a firm estimate of the affected area.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch#Estimates_of_size

'If something isn't done, he says, the island will increase in size by a factor of ten every two to three years — making in time something more akin to an actual, solid island. "The consequence of putting that much stuff shading the surface of the ocean is unknown," he says. "We don't know the harm." '

Moore again in   http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89099470

'For NOAA, a national science agency, separating science from science fiction about the Pacific garbage patch (and other "garbage patches") is important when answering people's questions about what it is and how we should deal with the problem.

(For the record, no scientifically sound estimates exist for the size or mass of these garbage patches.)'

response.restoration.noaa.gov/about/media/how-big-great-pacific-garbage-patch-sc...

'There is a lot of plastic trash floating in the Pacific Ocean, but claims that the “Great Garbage Patch” between California and Japan is twice the size of Texas are grossly exaggerated, according to an analysis by an Oregon State University scientist.

Further claims that the oceans are filled with more plastic than plankton, and that the patch has been growing tenfold each decade since the 1950s are equally misleading, pointed out Angelicque “Angel” White, an assistant professor of oceanography at Oregon State.

“There is no doubt that the amount of plastic in the world’s oceans is troubling, but this kind of exaggeration undermines the credibility of scientists,” White said. “We have data that allow us to make reasonable estimates; we don’t need the hyperbole. Given the observed concentration of plastic in the North Pacific, it is simply inaccurate to state that plastic outweighs plankton, or that we have observed an exponential increase in plastic.” '

http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2011/jan/oceanic-%E2%80%9Cgarbage-patch%E...

'MYTH: All this plastic is killing animals.
FACT: Some animals are being harmed, but others are thriving. Here's why that could be a problem.'

'MYTH: The plastisphere is killing the ocean.
FACT: The plastisphere is an ecosystem out of balance.'

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5911969/lies-youve-been-told-about-the-pacific-garbage-pa...

So the idea of the "Great Pacific Garbage patch" is bunkum. It hasn't been mapped
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Reply #101 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 10:34pm
 
According to Your post.

Whatever, I see NO POINT In arguing about the size of the pile of human excrement,  IT EXISTS.!! No denying it.! Specious argument does exactly NIL.!

Who cares if it is twice the size of Texas, or , even the size of the US mainland, or NOT..!??!

This pile of crap comes from US. YOU, ME EVERYBODY.!!
AND IT IS REAL.!!!!!!!!

so at least some people with the means, are attempting to remove it.  ( NO GOVT tho) 
No doubters need reply.! Angry
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Emma wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
According to Your post.



So you believe NOAA on climate change but not the "great Pacific Garbage Patch"?

Bizarre.
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Reply #103 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:50pm
 
Those are your words not mine. You cannot make such assumptions with any veracity.

Did you understand what I said after .."According to Your post".?


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Emma wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:50pm:
Did you understand what I said after .."According to Your post".?



Yep.

Emma wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
Whatever, I see NO POINT In arguing about the size of the pile of human excrement,



And yet you continue to do so.
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Reply #105 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 5:47pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:08am:
In a timely newsbite.,
I see there is a person, just one, who has put together other people to scoop out this plastic infestation from the Pacific. That is the goal.

Specially designed scoops and the Will of people to try to reduce this horror of human detritus is inspiring.

It is our own nest after all!
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