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Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?
Reply #30 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

Ask questions? You deniers just say “No! Oh god, don’t let change actually be happening!” whenever more evidence we are changing the climate is published.

OK, you don’t post the “Oh god. . .” bit but I bet you think so!

The south is drying out you know, as predicted by AGW scientists.

Emit more greenhouse gas, get more of a greenhouse effect, how the hell could it be otherwise?

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21st Century Dialup Network Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 399 Brisbane Gender:	Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do? Reply #31 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 1:55pm Cry, stamp their feet and be dragged kicking and screaming into a more energy efficient world.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do? Reply #32 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 2:22pm You’d think they hate clean air!
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Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?
Reply #33 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

Your turn, fine me a single peer reviewed paper he has written.

A major peer-reviewed climate physics paper in the first issue (January 2015: vol. 60 no. 1) of the prestigious Science Bulletin (formerly Chinese Science Bulletin), the journal of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, exposes elementary but serious errors in the general-circulation models relied on by the UN's climate panel, the IPCC. The errors were the reason for concern about Man's effect on climate. Without them, there is no climate crisis.

http://phys.org/news/2015-01-peer-reviewed-pocket-calculator-climate-exposes-err...

John Houghton - ' In fact, he denies emphatically that he ever said it at any time, either verbally or in writing.

In fact, his view on the matter of generating scare stories to publicise climate change is quite the opposite. "There are those who will say 'unless we announce disasters, no one will listen', but I'm not one of them," Sir John told The Independent.

"It's not the sort of thing I would ever say. It's quite the opposite of what I think and it pains me to see this quote being used repeatedly in this way. I would never say we should hype up the risk of climate disasters in order to get noticed," he said.'

So what did he say?

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/sir-john-houghton-objective-scientist...

'In a November 2006 article in Australia's The Daily Telegraph, journalist Piers Akerman quoted Houghton as saying "Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen", attributing the quotation to his 1994 book Global Warming, The Complete Briefing. This has since been quoted by many sceptics, including Benny Peiser and Christopher Monckton.'

http://us.wow.com/wiki/John_T._Houghton

So he misquoted a misquotation?

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Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?
Reply #34 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

So he misquoted a misquotation?

So he's just lazy and never checks his sources. There are more by the way. if you want me to find them

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

A major peer-reviewed climate physics paper in the first issue (January 2015: vol. 60 no. 1)

Ah, I was unaware of this, thank you! Still, if this is the only thing he has to his name in the scientific literature it makes all the many many many times he has claimed to have been a published in peer reviewed scientific journals before this date a lie.

Turns out the same journal later published a rebuttal paper too by the way, have you had a chance to check it out?

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11434-015-0806-z#/page-1

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #35 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:02pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

He is of the lowest ranks of lords and so cannot sit in the House of Lords. He is a proven liar on this and as such anyone who believes the crap he prattles is a fool.

Nope, wrong again. Viscount ranks higher than Baron, and the ONLY reason he cannot sit in the House of Lords is Tony Blair's House of Lords Act 1999, which limited the number of hereditary peers allowed to sit in the House of Lords to 92.

I have read differently, and he is not a member of the House of Lords, just one of his many lies.

No, the title of Viscount Monckton of Brenchley DID, up until 1999, have membership (or the right to attend) the House of Lords. Monckton's father was there regularly from when he ascended to the title in 1965.

And the correct form of address when speaking to or about a Viscount is in fact "Lord" (insert name)

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do? Reply #36 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:29pm Ah well, learn something every day. He is still a fruitcake tho.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21609 Gender:	Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do? Reply #37 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:53pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Ah well, learn something every day. Yes, and you still have much to learn.
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Reply #38 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

Turns out the same journal later published a rebuttal paper too by the way, have you had a chance to check it out?

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11434-015-0806-z#/page-1

Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger. Works for an evil oil company too.

What credibility?

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Reply #39 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.

So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article. This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie? Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit: my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #40 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:58pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.

So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article. This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie? Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit: my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature

And works for a company that operates in oil and gas exploration and mining.... Grin

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do? Reply #41 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 6:21am Hence the denialism.
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Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?
Reply #42 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:58pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.

So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article. This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie? Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit: my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature

And works for a company that operates in oil and gas exploration and mining.... Grin

Plenty of climate change believers work in oil and gas: money is money!

It's like being a scientist who goes to church Cheesy

It's called mixed market economies: the problem is one of government regulation!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do? Reply #43 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 7:40pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Ah well, learn something every day. He is still a fruitcake tho. And still far less of a 'fruitcake' than the likes Tim Flannery and Al Gore 'tho'..or even "Though"...
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Re: WTF are Jones, Abbott, Monkton, Bolt going to do?
Reply #44 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:58pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

Oh no Dana Nuccitelli. Confidant and SS uniform wearing member of Skeptical Science, Guardian blogger.

So an unqualified person contributing in a peer reviewed published article. This makes them basically the same as Monckton right?

No response to the fact that Monckton is either a liar or bad at research due to misquoting sources, or the fact that for years he claimed to be published in peer reviewed scientific literature when this was in fact a lie? Can't imagine why you would ignore that little part there Lee Roll Eyes

edit: my mistake, He actually has degrees in astrophysics and a masters in physics, so actually isn't unqualified, and has contributed 9 papers to peer-reviewed literature

And works for a company that operates in oil and gas exploration and mining.... Grin

Plenty of climate change believers work in oil and gas: money is money!

It's like being a scientist who goes to church Cheesy

It's called mixed market economies: the problem is one of government regulation!

So why do climate change sceptics get such a hard time for working for oil and gas companies??? Double standards, or whatt??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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