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Reply #30 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 8:47am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

You need help. You have some very serious anger and other problems. Don't you think it is time to seek help once you start criticising other's attempts to help people?

It's all about triage and priorities.

The money should go to where it's most needed and where it will benefit the most people.

Value for money.

Triage.

Potential suicides don't need anything other than what is already available to them.

We still have schools without classroom air-conditioning on days that are over 40deg in the summer.

If you want to top yourself - tell your local GP and he'll direct you to FREE services that DON'T require funding to the tune of an insane $14.7 million dollars.

By FAR the greatest beneficiaries of this idiot's mindless donation will be the parasites who live upon the Victimhood Industries.

I repeat, you need some REAL help. One day you in fact could end up as one of these 'victims'. You are certainly showing all the early stages of depression which leads to suicidal ideation.

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Reply #31 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'

Well, to be honest, it would be far more beneficial to address overpopulation by rounding up all those who have been deluded by organised religion and off them...

Population problem solved, and, arguably some of the suicide issue addressed simultaneously, less of the population being molested, terrorised, murdered, brow beaten and robbed via donations...

Sure, but these pitiful few are helping.

So too are the terrorists apparently... But of course you have not considered the public service they're providing to our over population problems yet.

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Reply #32 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'

Well, to be honest, it would be far more beneficial to address overpopulation by rounding up all those who have been deluded by organised religion and off them...

Population problem solved, and, arguably some of the suicide issue addressed simultaneously, less of the population being molested, terrorised, murdered, brow beaten and robbed via donations...

Sure, but these pitiful few are helping.

So too are the terrorists apparently... But of course you have not considered the public service they're providing to our over population problems yet.

those who suicide do it voluntarily, willingly.

victims of death cultists are victims.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36384 Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #33 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:02pm: those who suicide do it voluntarily, willingly. . No. People who suicide are victims of debilitating depression usually. They are very much victims.
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Reply #34 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:11pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

I repeat, you need some REAL help. One day you in fact could end up as one of these 'victims'. You are certainly showing all the early stages of depression which leads to suicidal ideation.

Thank you for your concern, Maria, but I'm not about to fall on my sword just yet.

My Bucket List still has many pages in it that I hope to bring to reality in the not too distant future.

I think the one Crying for Help might even be yourself ...

I'm a good listener. If you feel you'd like to talk to me here about things that may be troubling you, then by all means do so.

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Reply #35 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

those who suicide do it voluntarily, willingly.

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No. People who suicide are victims of debilitating depression usually. They are very much victims.

The tragedy is that they are suffering from Tunnel Vision. It's this Tunnel Vision that funnels them towards the act of committing suicide. Cognitive therapy is the only answer - having them see beyond their immediate concerns.

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Reply #36 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:24pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

those who suicide do it voluntarily, willingly.

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No. People who suicide are victims of debilitating depression usually. They are very much victims.

The tragedy is that they are suffering from Tunnel Vision. It's this Tunnel Vision that funnels them towards the act of committing suicide. Cognitive therapy is the only answer - having them see beyond their immediate concerns.

Cognitive therapy is an answer, but far from the only one. In fact it doesn't work at all on some people.

A co-operation between a psychologist and GP is the best bet for anyone suffering clinical depression. That and all of the dozen or so things that we know through research (that cost money, Herbie) to have a beneficial effect, like gentle exercise, exposure and healthy sleeping habits.

It's a myth that depression is all about immediate concerns. It is considerably more far reaching than that and a physical as well as psychological illness.

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Reply #37 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Cognitive therapy is an answer, but far from the only one. In fact it doesn't work at all on some people.

A co-operation between a psychologist and GP is the best bet for anyone suffering clinical depression. That and all of the dozen or so things that we know through research (that cost money, Herbie) to have a beneficial effect, like gentle exercise, exposure and healthy sleeping habits.

It's a myth that depression is all about immediate concerns. It is considerably more far reaching than that and a physical as well as psychological illness.

The student lecturing the Master.

I'll let it go at that.

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Reply #38 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:37pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Cognitive therapy is an answer, but far from the only one. In fact it doesn't work at all on some people.

A co-operation between a psychologist and GP is the best bet for anyone suffering clinical depression. That and all of the dozen or so things that we know through research (that cost money, Herbie) to have a beneficial effect, like gentle exercise, exposure and healthy sleeping habits.

It's a myth that depression is all about immediate concerns. It is considerably more far reaching than that and a physical as well as psychological illness.

The student lecturing the Master.

I'll let it go at that.

Nothing i said was wrong. Maybe CBD worked for you i dunno, but it doesn't work for everyone.

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) is very, very good and showing promising results.

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Reply #39 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'

Well, to be honest, it would be far more beneficial to address overpopulation by rounding up all those who have been deluded by organised religion and off them...

Population problem solved, and, arguably some of the suicide issue addressed simultaneously, less of the population being molested, terrorised, murdered, brow beaten and robbed via donations...

Sure, but these pitiful few are helping.

So too are the terrorists apparently... But of course you have not considered the public service they're providing to our over population problems yet.

those who suicide do it voluntarily, willingly.

Well apart from the fact that many don't, so what?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

victims of death cultists are victims.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Sure, but these pitiful few are helping.

Your own words right back at ya!

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Reply #40 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

Nothing i said was wrong. Maybe CBD worked for you i dunno, but it doesn't work for everyone.

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) is very, very good and showing promising results.

Nothing worked for me after I was admitted by the registrar as suffering from 'Clinical Depression'.

Two girls in my group committed suicide while I was there.

I was admitted on four occasions. It gave me a rest from work, but otherwise I didn't see hair-nor-hide of anything even remotely of any benefit to me.

I saw the whole system as a sham, a pretension, and a fraud with those who benefit the most being the doctors themselves.

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Reply #41 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

Nothing i said was wrong. Maybe CBD worked for you i dunno, but it doesn't work for everyone.

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) is very, very good and showing promising results.

Nothing worked for me after I was admitted by the registrar as suffering from 'Clinical Depression'.

Two girls in my group committed suicide while I was there.

I was admitted on four occasions. It gave me a rest from work, but otherwise I didn't see hair-nor-hide of anything even remotely of any benefit to me.

Then why do you make the claim that CBD is the answer?

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Reply #42 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Then why do you make the claim that CBD is the answer?

Did I say that?

The holistic approach is probably better.

One thing that is vital if one is to treat clinical and chronic feelings of depression is to remove the patient from the environment where he or she lives and works.

A few weeks in a ward and then returning patients right back into their original circumstance and environment defeats any gains that were made.

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Reply #43 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

Then why do you make the claim that CBD is the answer?

Did I say that?

The holistic approach is probably better.

One thing that is vital if one is to treat clinical and chronic feelings of depression is to remove the patient from the environment where he or she lives and works.

A few weeks in a ward and then returning patients right back into their original circumstance and environment defeats any gains that were made.

You said "Cognitive therapy is the only answer ". I assumed you meant CBD. If you didn't i don't know what you mean.

I don't believe uprooting someone from their lives is necessarily the best thing Herbie. A person should stay where their support structures are and making somebody homeless and jobless is only going to cause more problems.

You seem to be operating on the the idea that Depression is purely environmental. It isn't.

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Reply #44 - Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:16pm

mothra wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

You said "Cognitive therapy is the only answer ". I assumed you meant CBD. If you didn't i don't know what you mean.

I don't believe uprooting someone from their lives is necessarily the best thing Herbie. A person should stay where their support structures are and making somebody homeless and jobless is only going to cause more problems.

You seem to be operating on the the idea that Depression is purely environmental. It isn't.

Give me strength.

Did I say make them jobless and homeless?

What 'support structure? They are in a hospital precisely because there WAS no 'support structure'.

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