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Reply #15 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:35am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:19am:

What is the problem with people suiciding ?

It's hardly as though humans are a scarce resource.

Because when a person suicide, this will negatively impact on others and hence the society.

They are not just some random strangers on the street. They are someone's mother, father, daughter, son and more.

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.............They are someone's mother, father, daughter, son and more...........

I am sure they are aware of that.

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20377 Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #16 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:11am: Simple. "troll: one who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument". That describes you peccahead.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150630 Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #17 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm mothra wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:31pm: mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:26pm: I am a bit shocked at some of the cavalier attitudes to human life expressed in this thread. You'll have to forgive Sprint. He's a good Christian.
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Reply #18 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:35am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:19am:

What is the problem with people suiciding ?

It's hardly as though humans are a scarce resource.

Because when a person suicide, this will negatively impact on others and hence the society.

They are not just some random strangers on the street. They are someone's mother, father, daughter, son and more.

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.............They are someone's mother, father, daughter, son and more...........

I am sure they are aware of that.

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'.

Before you get to the point of human overpopulation which will be combated hardly at all by the effect of suicide on the community, doesn't you mind go at all to the human suffering and anguish of suicide both on the person committing it and upon those that love them?

Tell me Sprint, how does a follower of Christ completely bypass that?

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #19 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm That 14.7 million, is it going to hurt anyone? You know it might even save the odd life or two...that would make it worth it...wouldn't it?
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Reply #20 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 4:06pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'

Well, to be honest, it would be far more beneficial to address overpopulation by rounding up all those who have been deluded by organised religion and off them...

Population problem solved, and, arguably some of the suicide issue addressed simultaneously, less of the population being molested, terrorised, murdered, brow beaten and robbed via donations...

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Reply #21 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:23pm

red baron wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

That 14.7 million, is it going to hurt anyone?

It's going to hurt a lot of people who will never benefit from what that money can buy.

There are people living in rural NSW who have to come all the way to Sydney for radio-therapy for cancer because they don't have the equipment out there in the country towns.

They don't have MRI and CT scanners out there in the country towns - essential diagnostic tools that save lives.

And then there are hundreds of homeless folk sleeping rough in Sydney every night.

There's always money needed to expand and improve refuge accommodation for battered wives.

red baron wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

You know it might even save the odd life or two...that would make it worth it...wouldn't it?

No, most definitely not worth it.

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Reply #22 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

That 14.7 million, is it going to hurt anyone?

It's going to hurt a lot of people who will never benefit from what that money can buy.

There are people living in rural NSW who have to come all the way to Sydney for radio-therapy for cancer because they don't have the equipment out there in the country towns.

They don't have MRI and CT scanners out there in the country towns - essential diagnostic tools that save lives.

And then there are hundreds of homeless folk sleeping rough in Sydney every night.

There's always money needed to expand and improve refuge accommodation for battered wives.
red baron wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

You know it might even save the odd life or two...that would make it worth it...wouldn't it?

No, most definitely not worth it.

There are always important things to spend money on Herbie. There are no shortage of areas of need.

About 2,500 people kill themselves in Australia every year. That is an unacceptable figure. Anything that can be done to staunch the loss is money well spent.

And what do you mean not worth it if one or two lives are saved? Are you saying a person isn't worth 14 million dollars?

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Reply #23 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

That 14.7 million, is it going to hurt anyone?

It's going to hurt a lot of people who will never benefit from what that money can buy.

There are people living in rural NSW who have to come all the way to Sydney for radio-therapy for cancer because they don't have the equipment out there in the country towns.

They don't have MRI and CT scanners out there in the country towns - essential diagnostic tools that save lives.

And then there are hundreds of homeless folk sleeping rough in Sydney every night.

There's always money needed to expand and improve refuge accommodation for battered wives.

red baron wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

You know it might even save the odd life or two...that would make it worth it...wouldn't it?

No, most definitely not worth it.

Well if you don't think he should be spending this money, the government can tax it all and spend it for him

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Reply #25 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:21pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Look at the big picture. The globe is overpopulated. Everyone says that.
Now someone wants to help that problem and you all say 'no, no'

Well, to be honest, it would be far more beneficial to address overpopulation by rounding up all those who have been deluded by organised religion and off them...

Population problem solved, and, arguably some of the suicide issue addressed simultaneously, less of the population being molested, terrorised, murdered, brow beaten and robbed via donations...

Sure, but these pitiful few are helping.

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Reply #26 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 6:50am

mothra wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

And what do you mean not worth it if one or two lives are saved? Are you saying a person isn't worth 14 million dollars?

You've got that right.

Did the Australian government that wept crocodile tears over the execution of those two drug importers offer the Indonesian government 14.7 million dollars to save their hides?

Of course it didn't.

How many Australians went out into the streets in mass demonstrations to protest about young Australians being sent over there to Vietnam to get shot, wounded, killed and mentally f*cked-up over a matter that had absolutely NOTHING to do with defending Australia against invasion?

And Iraq

And Afghanistan

And Syria

All 'engagements' that have, and are, costing the lives and limbs of young Australians for no discernible reason other than to play lap-dog to American interests in the region.

Have our federal and State governments replaced all those psychiatric hospitals they sold-and-stole for the real estate value back in the early 80's?

No they haven't.

Our government doesn't give a tinker's cuss about mental health and spending money on support centres.

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'Charity' is a HUUUUUGE racket in this country which feathers a lot of nests before the people it's intended for see a brass razoo of it.

It's a huge money-spinner for the various churches and private agencies that suck the blood out of these donations like leaches, ticks, remora and other parasites.

"The massive size of the charity and not-for-profit sector has, for the first time, been revealed in a report by the sector's regulator.

The Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission (ACNC) has released the Australia's Charities in 2014 report which showed that the sector was a $103 billion industry that employed almost one-in-10 Australians.

The report also revealed that Australia's charities spent $95 billion in 2014.

This consisted of $51.8 billion on employee expenses, $4.5 billion on grants and donations and $38.7 billion on other expenses".

... dear O dear O dear ...

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WHERE are the new psychiatric centres?

WHERE are the Special Accommodation blocks for the Homeless?

WHERE are the REFUGES for those 'at risk' of domestic violence?

etc etc ...

A $103 BILLION industry per year! - and still the annual suicide rate is in its thousands, and still there's not enough accommodation to take in all of the homeless who live on the streets, and still there are families living in fear of violent husbands with nowhere to turn to ...

Incidentally - a staggering 800 people sleep on the streets at night in Darwin due to lack of accommodation for the drunk and the homeless.

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Reply #27 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:37am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 6:50am:

mothra wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

And what do you mean not worth it if one or two lives are saved? Are you saying a person isn't worth 14 million dollars?

You've got that right.

Did the Australian government that wept crocodile tears over the execution of those two drug importers offer the Indonesian government 14.7 million dollars to save their hides?

Of course it didn't.

How many Australians went out into the streets in mass demonstrations to protest about young Australians being sent over there to Vietnam to get shot, wounded, killed and mentally f*cked-up over a matter that had absolutely NOTHING to do with defending Australia against invasion?

And Iraq

And Afghanistan

And Syria

All 'engagements' that have, and are, costing the lives and limbs of young Australians for no discernible reason other than to play lap-dog to American interests in the region.

Have our federal and State governments replaced all those psychiatric hospitals they sold-and-stole for the real estate value back in the early 80's?

No they haven't.

Our government doesn't give a tinker's cuss about mental health and spending money on support centres.

**

'Charity' is a HUUUUUGE racket in this country which feathers a lot of nests before the people it's intended for see a brass razoo of it.

It's a huge money-spinner for the various churches and private agencies that suck the blood out of these donations like leaches, ticks, remora and other parasites.

"The massive size of the charity and not-for-profit sector has, for the first time, been revealed in a report by the sector's regulator.

The Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission (ACNC) has released the Australia's Charities in 2014 report which showed that the sector was a $103 billion industry that employed almost one-in-10 Australians.

The report also revealed that Australia's charities spent $95 billion in 2014.

This consisted of $51.8 billion on employee expenses, $4.5 billion on grants and donations and $38.7 billion on other expenses".

... dear O dear O dear ...

link

WHERE are the new psychiatric centres?

WHERE are the Special Accommodation blocks for the Homeless?

WHERE are the REFUGES for those 'at risk' of domestic violence?

etc etc ...

A $103 BILLION industry per year! - and still the annual suicide rate is in its thousands, and still there's not enough accommodation to take in all of the homeless who live on the streets, and still there are families living in fear of violent husbands with nowhere to turn to ...

Incidentally - a staggering 800 people sleep on the streets at night in Darwin due to lack of accommodation for the drunk and the homeless.

You need help. You have some very serious anger and other problems. Don't you think it is time to seek help once you start criticising other's attempts to help people?

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Reply #28 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:47am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 6:50am:

mothra wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

And what do you mean not worth it if one or two lives are saved? Are you saying a person isn't worth 14 million dollars?

You've got that right.

Did the Australian government that wept crocodile tears over the execution of those two drug importers offer the Indonesian government 14.7 million dollars to save their hides?

Of course it didn't.

How many Australians went out into the streets in mass demonstrations to protest about young Australians being sent over there to Vietnam to get shot, wounded, killed and mentally f*cked-up over a matter that had absolutely NOTHING to do with defending Australia against invasion?

And Iraq

And Afghanistan

And Syria

All 'engagements' that have, and are, costing the lives and limbs of young Australians for no discernible reason other than to play lap-dog to American interests in the region.

Have our federal and State governments replaced all those psychiatric hospitals they sold-and-stole for the real estate value back in the early 80's?

No they haven't.

Our government doesn't give a tinker's cuss about mental health and spending money on support centres.

**

'Charity' is a HUUUUUGE racket in this country which feathers a lot of nests before the people it's intended for see a brass razoo of it.

It's a huge money-spinner for the various churches and private agencies that suck the blood out of these donations like leaches, ticks, remora and other parasites.

"The massive size of the charity and not-for-profit sector has, for the first time, been revealed in a report by the sector's regulator.

The Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission (ACNC) has released the Australia's Charities in 2014 report which showed that the sector was a $103 billion industry that employed almost one-in-10 Australians.

The report also revealed that Australia's charities spent $95 billion in 2014.

This consisted of $51.8 billion on employee expenses, $4.5 billion on grants and donations and $38.7 billion on other expenses".

... dear O dear O dear ...

link

WHERE are the new psychiatric centres?

WHERE are the Special Accommodation blocks for the Homeless?

WHERE are the REFUGES for those 'at risk' of domestic violence?

etc etc ...

A $103 BILLION industry per year! - and still the annual suicide rate is in its thousands, and still there's not enough accommodation to take in all of the homeless who live on the streets, and still there are families living in fear of violent husbands with nowhere to turn to ...

Incidentally - a staggering 800 people sleep on the streets at night in Darwin due to lack of accommodation for the drunk and the homeless.

Exactly Herbert. I am with you

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............ and still the annual suicide rate is in its thousands, and still there's not enough accommodation to take in all of the homeless who live on the streets, and still there are families living in fear of violent husbands with nowhere to turn to ................

we could do with 100's of 1000's suiciding.
Look at all the homeless

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Reply #29 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 8:31am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

You need help. You have some very serious anger and other problems. Don't you think it is time to seek help once you start criticising other's attempts to help people?

It's all about triage and priorities.

The money should go to where it's most needed and where it will benefit the most people.

Value for money.

Triage.

Potential suicides don't need anything other than what is already available to them.

We still have schools without classroom air-conditioning on days that are over 40deg in the summer.

If you want to top yourself - tell your local GP and he'll direct you to FREE services that DON'T require funding to the tune of an insane $14.7 million dollars.

By FAR the greatest beneficiaries of this idiot's mindless donation will be the parasites who live upon the Victimhood Industries.

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