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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	What an idiot and a fool ... Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 8:41am "A private donor will give a massive $14.7 million to fund Australia's first evidence-based suicide prevention programs, to be run by the Black Dog Institute" link
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #1 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 8:53am Ummm, I know I'm going to regret this, but why?
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #2 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:12am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 8:53am: Ummm, I know I'm going to regret this, but why? Yeah, I'd also like to know Herbie's opposition to suicide prevention.
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Reply #3 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:53am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:12am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 8:53am:

Ummm, I know I'm going to regret this, but why?

Yeah, I'd also like to know Herbie's opposition to suicide prevention.

$14.7 million dollars to stop people euthanasing themselves?

What the hell has money got to do with stopping people from committing suicide?

What's the problem with using the teachers at our schools and universities from giving the occasional talk about suicide prevention and how anyone feeling suicidal should contact the counselors who already exist in every teaching institution?

Cost factor? Zero.

Why does it take $14.7 million dollars to tell 'Those at Risk' to go see their GP as a first step towards getting psychiatric help?

Cost factor for GP services and Letter of Reference to see a Specialist? Zero.

All of these options are so bloody obvious.

It's FREE at our schools.

It's FREE at our universities.

It's FREE at your local GP's office.

NO Government 'Community Message' on TV or in the print media is EVER going to make a cracker of a difference to someone contemplating suicide.

It doesn't cost $14.7 million bugger*** dollars to tell those who are depressed, to go see their GP.

What we're seeing here is a MONEY GRAB by the Usual Suspects to feather their own nest on the pretext of providing a Community Service.

It's like the bullshit government 'grants' funding for Climate Change lectures in our schools by visiting bullshit artists ... and 'talks' on the 'benefits' of multiculturalism and 'How not to be a Racist' ... and government funding for Islamic schools ... etc.

It's like throwing millions at the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry with almost no beneficial results whatsoever.

We have patients living on gurneys in the corridors of our Sydney hospitals because of lack of government funding and lack of monies coming through rich men's Deceased Estate legacies.

The first priority is that funding should go towards those who want to live, but are doing it tough.

I've personally known four people who 'topped' themselves. One by gun, one by knife, one by poison, and the other I never did find out.

That was their decision. They had options, but didn't access any of them.

Priorities - it's all about priorities.

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Reply #4 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:08am

1. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

2. Getting teachers to give talks will require giving them training in order to do talks. WIll cost money

3. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

4. Suicide is more than just euthanasing yourself

5. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

6. Involving GPs means paying them for time, which will cost the government money.

7. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

8. We don't know what else his money was used for, maybe it was for these magical gurney residing patients.

9. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

No I know points 1,3,5,7 and 9 are the same, but I thought they were so important and so f***ing obviously missed by you Herbie that I need to remind you of them 5 times.

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Reply #5 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:11am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:53am:

$14.7 million dollars to stop people euthanasing themselves?

What the hell has money got to do with stopping people from committing suicide?

I would have thought it was self-evident, programs cost money to implement.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:53am:

What's the problem with using the teachers at our schools and universities from giving the occasional talk about suicide prevention and how anyone feeling suicidal should contact the counselors who already exist in every teaching institution?

Cost factor? Zero.

If you had read the article, you would know they are indeed including these people, but they need to be appropriately trained.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:53am:

Why does it take $14.7 million dollars to tell 'Those at Risk' to go see their GP as a first step towards getting psychiatric help?

Cost factor for GP services and Letter of Reference to see a Specialist? Zero.

All of these options are so bloody obvious.

It's FREE at our schools.

It's FREE at our universities.

It's FREE at your local GP's office.

NO Government 'Community Message' on TV or in the print media is EVER going to make a cracker of a difference to someone contemplating suicide.

It doesn't cost $14.7 million bugger*** dollars to tell those who are depressed, to go see their GP.

What we're seeing here is a MONEY GRAB by the Usual Suspects to feather their own nest on the pretext of providing a Community Service.

It's like the bullshit government 'grants' funding for Climate Change lectures in our schools by visiting bullshit artists ... and 'talks' on the 'benefits' of multiculturalism and 'How not to be a Racist' ... and government funding for Islamic schools ... etc.

It's like throwing millions at the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry with almost no beneficial results whatsoever.

We have patients living on gurneys in the corridors of our Sydney hospitals because of lack of government funding and lack of monies coming through rich men's Deceased Estate legacies.

The first priority is that funding should go towards those who want to live, but are doing it tough.

I've personally known four people who 'topped' themselves. One by gun, one by knife, one by poison, and the other I never did find out.

That was their decision. They had options, but didn't access any of them.

Priorities - it's all about priorities.

Different people have different priorities. Perhaps he has lost one or more loved ones to suicide and wishes to prevent it.

Depression is as legitimate an ailment as cancer, simply because it affects the mind and not the body does not make it any less real or dangerous.

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Reply #6 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:11am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:12am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 8:53am:

Ummm, I know I'm going to regret this, but why?

Yeah, I'd also like to know Herbie's opposition to suicide prevention.

Simple.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41302 Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #7 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:19am What is the problem with people suiciding ? It's hardly as though humans are a scarce resource.
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Reply #8 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:27am

"Profile of the Sociopath

"Shallow Emotions:

"When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive.

"Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises."

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36383 Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #9 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:28am Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:19am: What is the problem with people suiciding ? It's hardly as though humans are a scarce resource. Every human life is precious. What specific religion do you follow Sprint?
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Reply #10 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:19am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:08am:

1. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

2. Getting teachers to give talks will require giving them training in order to do talks. WIll cost money

3. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

4. Suicide is more than just euthanasing yourself

5. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

6. Involving GPs means paying them for time, which will cost the government money.

7. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

8. We don't know what else his money was used for, maybe it was for these magical gurney residing patients.

9. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

No I know points 1,3,5,7 and 9 are the same, but I thought they were so important and so f***ing obviously missed by you Herbie that I need to remind you of them 5 times.

Only 5 times? You are being generous. Reducing Suicide involves training, staff and research. All this costs money and effort. The government could have (and probably should have) put up this money but I certainly wont condemn a private individual for it.

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Reply #11 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:25am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:19am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:08am:

1. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

2. Getting teachers to give talks will require giving them training in order to do talks. WIll cost money

3. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

4. Suicide is more than just euthanasing yourself

5. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

6. Involving GPs means paying them for time, which will cost the government money.

7. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

8. We don't know what else his money was used for, maybe it was for these magical gurney residing patients.

9. Its not your money, its a private donors, why are you whining.

No I know points 1,3,5,7 and 9 are the same, but I thought they were so important and so f***ing obviously missed by you Herbie that I need to remind you of them 5 times.

Only 5 times? You are being generous. Reducing Suicide involves training, staff and research. All this costs money and effort. The government could have (and probably should have) put up this money but I certainly wont condemn a private individual for it.

Well I ran out of motivation

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Reply #12 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 11:35am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:19am:

What is the problem with people suiciding ?

It's hardly as though humans are a scarce resource.

Because when a person suicide, this will negatively impact on others and hence the society.

They are not just some random strangers on the street. They are someone's mother, father, daughter, son and more.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #13 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:26pm I am a bit shocked at some of the cavalier attitudes to human life expressed in this thread.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36383 Gender:	Re: What an idiot and a fool ... Reply #14 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:31pm mariacostel wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 12:26pm: I am a bit shocked at some of the cavalier attitudes to human life expressed in this thread. You'll have to forgive Sprint. He's a good Christian.
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