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Re: Study: private schools no better than public.
Reply #45 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:45pm

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Last year, more than 54 per cent of young adults who had attended a non-government school were enrolled to study for a post-school qualification compared with 39 per cent of former government school students

And 39 per cent of non-government school students go on to attain a bachelor degree or above, compared with 25 per cent of government school students.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/private-schools-clear...

This alone should settle this:

54 / 39 = 1.38
39 / 25 = 1.56

A greater proportion of those who enter uni from a public school graduate, but a smaller proportion of them enter uni to begin with.

I interpret this to mean that public school cannot completely extinguish the passion for knowledge, but it does a decent job of it.

So 36% are dropouts who don't go on to repay HECS.

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Reply #46 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:45pm

mothra wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:25pm:

And here we are yet again with the all-important qualifier of the results. And it completely invalidates the results. All it says is that when everything is equal, two kids with exactly the same TER will slightly favour the state school student. What it doesn't state - because it would be inconvenient - is that the majority of university students were privately educated because on average their TER was significantly better than State school kids.

It is the same garbage every time. All these studies have to impose biases and penalties to come up with a desired outcome.

Simple fact: educational outcomes of private schooled kids is notably superior to public schooled kids. Income and life outcomes are also superior.

So where are the studies that compare these outcomes WITHOUT QUALIFICATION OR BIAS?

So who won the gold medal in the 100M? Well we need to take into account the socio-economic upbringing of each athlete along with their gender, sexual orientation and race to get the answer. The Olympics don't work this way and nor does real life. Those who succeed are those that win the race that is before them, not the race the left-wing THINKS is before them.

You are quite wrong, of course. The study shows equivocally that public students perform better at university.

This is an inconvenient truth for you, so you are trying to discreit it. Poorly.

Twice now you have claimed that private students make up the bulk of university students. I would like to see that qualified. I can't find anything that suggests anything of the sort. I think you are just making stuff up as you go along.

Actually, it shows no such thing. It doesn't say a TYPICAL or AVERAGE public vs private student. It picks a subset of its own choosing. This is how you can get answers you want no matter what the actual data says. In this case they ignore all the high achieving students and compare the average ones only.

It is statistical nonsense. But obviously it is good marketing because the gullible swallow it real easy.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49647 Gender:	Re: Study: private schools no better than public. Reply #47 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:22pm Of course, public schools have to take whoever rocks up, then there are schools oriented to teaching a trade. Dunno, private schools aren’t worth the money I reckon.
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Re: Study: private schools no better than public.
Reply #48 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:45pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 6:25pm:

And here we are yet again with the all-important qualifier of the results. And it completely invalidates the results. All it says is that when everything is equal, two kids with exactly the same TER will slightly favour the state school student. What it doesn't state - because it would be inconvenient - is that the majority of university students were privately educated because on average their TER was significantly better than State school kids.

It is the same garbage every time. All these studies have to impose biases and penalties to come up with a desired outcome.

Simple fact: educational outcomes of private schooled kids is notably superior to public schooled kids. Income and life outcomes are also superior.

So where are the studies that compare these outcomes WITHOUT QUALIFICATION OR BIAS?

So who won the gold medal in the 100M? Well we need to take into account the socio-economic upbringing of each athlete along with their gender, sexual orientation and race to get the answer. The Olympics don't work this way and nor does real life. Those who succeed are those that win the race that is before them, not the race the left-wing THINKS is before them.

You are quite wrong, of course. The study shows equivocally that public students perform better at university.

This is an inconvenient truth for you, so you are trying to discreit it. Poorly.

Twice now you have claimed that private students make up the bulk of university students. I would like to see that qualified. I can't find anything that suggests anything of the sort. I think you are just making stuff up as you go along.

Actually, it shows no such thing. It doesn't say a TYPICAL or AVERAGE public vs private student. It picks a subset of its own choosing. This is how you can get answers you want no matter what the actual data says. In this case they ignore all the high achieving students and compare the average ones only.

It is statistical nonsense. But obviously it is good marketing because the gullible swallow it real easy.

No, they compared students with similar ATAR scores.

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Reply #49 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:36pm

Private schools are very much worth the money - if even the type of kids they make as friends.
When I look at the sort of kids from the local public school, I know private is the best choice.

That's not even considering class size, facilities and quality of education.

Life is not fair, it's not a level playing field so you play the game and get on the higher step than your opponent.

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Re: Study: private schools no better than public.
Reply #50 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 7:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:08pm:

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The fourth study this year has found Australian private schools produce no better results than public schools, when students' socio-economic backgrounds are taken into account.

Seems like everyone is missing the essential rider and qualification to this study which is that in absolute terms, private schools DO have better outcomes but to get the message we want we have to massage the data according to 'socio-economic backgrounds'

In short it means that if you were poor and went to a public school your results were INCREASED and if you were rich and went to a private school, your results were reduced.

Voila! The desired outcome is achieved and allows the usual suspects to clap their hands with glee while being absolutely wrong.

Its like having a big handicap in golf thinking you should play in the PGA. Real life doesn't work that way and 'relative results' are the province of theorist and intellectuals and of no value in the real world.

Are you saying the maths are flawed here, dear?

Please explain. And kindly provide your alternative data.

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Study: private schools no better than public. Reply #51 - Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:11pm Extra! Extra! The Earth is Flat!! I'm sorry if Maria didn't quite get what the experts are saying. No wonder we get problems - too much ideology and not enough evidence-based support.
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