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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	The REAL truth about Atheism Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am The REAL truth about Atheism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ There is not much to discuss after that really.
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2212 Gender:	Re: The REAL truth about Atheism Reply #1 - Sep 21^st, 2015 at 7:27pm LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am: The REAL truth about Atheism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ There is not much to discuss after that really. Evolution versus God makes the incorrect assumption that no theists believe in evolution. Actually, most do. I stopped watching after that.
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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: The REAL truth about Atheism Reply #2 - Sep 21^st, 2015 at 10:23pm Just like all the ones in the video funny that. Nothing like making stuff up about the video is there. No surprises you stopped watching it was hard to accept logic.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The REAL truth about Atheism Reply #3 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:08am The best argument for a creationist non-evolving life form is the fact that the human race is just as stupid as it has always been.
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Re: The REAL truth about Atheism
Reply #5 - Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am:

The REAL truth about Atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

There is not much to discuss after that really.

Evolution versus God makes the incorrect assumption that no theists believe in evolution. Actually, most do. I stopped watching after that.

I second this statement. Its possible to have spiritual beliefs which allow you to accept scientific method.
Its not possible to be a fundamentalist christian and believe in evolution.
Fortunately most people are not christian fundamentalists.

I personally think that the more you learn about the universe the easier it is to see "gods" fingerprints on everything. Quantum entanglement, DNA helix, even the universal constant are all things that make me think that we may not be the highest form of consciousness in the universe.

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Re: The REAL truth about Atheism
Reply #6 - Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:08am:

The best argument for a creationist non-evolving life form is the fact that the human race is just as stupid as it has always been.

Reading Plato's republic you could mount a convincing argument we have gone backwards over the last couple of millennia. Of course, this would still demonstrate evolution......

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Re: The REAL truth about Atheism
Reply #7 - Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm

Pho Huc wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am:

The REAL truth about Atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

There is not much to discuss after that really.

Evolution versus God makes the incorrect assumption that no theists believe in evolution. Actually, most do. I stopped watching after that.

I second this statement. Its possible to have spiritual beliefs which allow you to accept scientific method.
Its not possible to be a fundamentalist christian and believe in evolution.
Fortunately most people are not christian fundamentalists.

I personally think that the more you learn about the universe the easier it is to see "gods" fingerprints on everything. Quantum entanglement, DNA helix, even the universal constant are all things that make me think that we may not be the highest form of consciousness in the universe.

Of course these fingerprints are metaphoric, unless one thinks of God as an old man in the sky. Further, I have never thought that we are the highest form of consciousness in the universe. If so, its a pretty crumby universe. And I do not ridicule suggested theories on how reality works, unless they are patently childish as in the dogma of established religions. Phew!

If I may speak for you, it seems the order and detail you observe give you the sense that they are the work or intensions of . . . I don't want to put too many words in your mouth here, but it sound like the Intelligent Design concept.

I ridicule those who say they have the answer, not because I am an atheist or an agnostic, I am neither, but I ridicule their small-mindedness.

The only way humans actually see anything is through the laws of physics. Human beings strictly conform to those laws. You could say Physics is God, but that would not satisfy anyone. If God exists outside the laws of physics then the Intelligently Designed bits don't support anything other than conjecture. That conjecture is conceived in the mind of Humans limited by physics. I see the God concept as way too small and human to explain anything.

Its like that old conundrum, try to think of nothing. Of course it cannot be done because the mind works on concepts which are things.

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Re: The REAL truth about Atheism
Reply #8 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:32am

Pho Huc wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am:

The REAL truth about Atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

There is not much to discuss after that really.

Evolution versus God makes the incorrect assumption that no theists believe in evolution. Actually, most do. I stopped watching after that.

I second this statement. Its possible to have spiritual beliefs which allow you to accept scientific method.
Its not possible to be a fundamentalist christian and believe in evolution.
Fortunately most people are not christian fundamentalists.

I personally think that the more you learn about the universe the easier it is to see "gods" fingerprints on everything. Quantum entanglement, DNA helix, even the universal constant are all things that make me think that we may not be the highest form of consciousness in the universe.

The title is Evolution vs God - Shaking the foundations of faith.

As you imply, that only applies to fundamentalist Born Again type Christians who would have a problem with Evolution.

Fortunately in Australia we have mostly Catholics, C of E, Lutherans and other moderate Christians. Evolution doesn't shake the foundations of their faith in any way shape or form.

In the US however, they have many more froth at the mouth commercial evangelical types. The video applies to the US almost exclusively.

There is a church near here that has banners. Some are funny but some are distasteful.

The ones that target Atheists are disgraceful. An example is "Can Atheist claim insurance on Acts of God?"

That is culturally insensitive, and possibly illegal. Can you imagine if they put a Muslim or Jewish joke on there?

If all they can do is post jokes about people who don't have the same religion, it sends the message that they are not too interested in posting information about their religion.

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Re: The REAL truth about Atheism
Reply #9 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:58am

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

Pho Huc wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 2:09am:

The REAL truth about Atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

There is not much to discuss after that really.

Evolution versus God makes the incorrect assumption that no theists believe in evolution. Actually, most do. I stopped watching after that.

I second this statement. Its possible to have spiritual beliefs which allow you to accept scientific method.
Its not possible to be a fundamentalist christian and believe in evolution.
Fortunately most people are not christian fundamentalists.

I personally think that the more you learn about the universe the easier it is to see "gods" fingerprints on everything. Quantum entanglement, DNA helix, even the universal constant are all things that make me think that we may not be the highest form of consciousness in the universe.

The title is Evolution vs God - Shaking the foundations of faith.

As you imply, that only applies to fundamentalist Born Again type Christians who would have a problem with Evolution.

Fortunately in Australia we have mostly Catholics, C of E, Lutherans and other moderate Christians. Evolution doesn't shake the foundations of their faith in any way shape or form.

In the US however, they have many more froth at the mouth commercial evangelical types. The video applies to the US almost exclusively.

There is a church near here that has banners. Some are funny but some are distasteful.

The ones that target Atheists are disgraceful. An example is "Can Atheist claim insurance on Acts of God?"

That is culturally insensitive, and possibly illegal. Can you imagine if they put a Muslim or Jewish joke on there?

If all they can do is post jokes about people who don't have the same religion, it sends the message that they are not too interested in posting information about their religion.

It reads as if they were being ironic. Either way, the legal answer is "Yes, they can."

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: The REAL truth about Atheism Reply #10 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:55am John_Taverner wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:32am: "Can Atheist claim insurance on Acts of God?" Yes, seeing as it a legal definition which does not require the existence of any deities. I also scandalously use the word "good" without believing in and gods.
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Re: The REAL truth about Atheism
Reply #11 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

Stratos wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

"Can Atheist claim insurance on Acts of God?"

Yes, seeing as it a legal definition which does not require the existence of any deities.

I also scandalously use the word "good" without believing in and gods.

Is atheism a non-prophet organisation?

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Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:39pm

Raven wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

Stratos wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

"Can Atheist claim insurance on Acts of God?"

Yes, seeing as it a legal definition which does not require the existence of any deities.

I also scandalously use the word "good" without believing in and gods.

Is atheism a non-prophet organisation?

lol.

There is a church around the corner from me with a big sign saying "OMG" which i think is pretty funny:).

issuevoter wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

se these fingerprints are metaphoric, unless one thinks of God as an old man in the sky. Further, I have never thought that we are the highest form of consciousness in the universe. If so, its a pretty crumby universe. And I do not ridicule suggested theories on how reality works, unless they are patently childish as in the dogma of established religions. Phew!

If I may speak for you, it seems the order and detail you observe give you the sense that they are the work or intensions of . . . I don't want to put too many words in your mouth here, but it sound like the Intelligent Design concept.

I ridicule those who say they have the answer, not because I am an atheist or an agnostic, I am neither, but I ridicule their small-mindedness.

The only way humans actually see anything is through the laws of physics. Human beings strictly conform to those laws. You could say Physics is God, but that would not satisfy anyone. If God exists outside the laws of physics then the Intelligently Designed bits don't support anything other than conjecture. That conjecture is conceived in the mind of Humans limited by physics. I see the God concept as way too small and human to explain anything.

Its like that old conundrum, try to think of nothing. Of course it cannot be done because the mind works on concepts which are things.

I appreciate your phrasing those are indeed metaphorical fingerprints.
Rather than intelligent design i'm more of a holographic theory man(I wish the experiment testing it had been more conclusive) though the two theories do share many similarities.

I agree that the conventional vision of God in the clouds, the reason for all mysteries has passed(at least for those avoiding willfull ignorance).

I think its unfortunate that religion is so binary for many people. I myself am probably classified as an agnostic, but it shard to shake off twenty years of indoctrination. I never regretted learning the bible, its a great way to irritate those of excessive faith.

I would restate"physics is God" to "physics is a description of predictable behavior which may or may not be an intended aspect of creation".

Three word slogan that unwieldy mess!

If you believe that a higher power/intellect/being exists, but you reject conventional religious doctrine what would that classify you as? a spiritualist?

And what if you believe such a entity was non-interventionist and removed from us-you cease to be a spiritualist and sort of become undefinable.

That's what people should aim for- Undefinable religious beliefs. Keep everyone on their toes and thinking!

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2982 Around	Re: The REAL truth about Atheism Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:58pm Raven likes the idea that after he died and it all fades to black there is some big writing that says LEVEL 2
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