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Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Sep 4th, 2015 at 9:59am
 

The Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or is it history ?





Patterns of Evidence: Exodus


.....Is a new [2014] documentary film, asking;      Is there archaeological evidence for the Bible Exodus account which has not been examined/acknowledged ?





This VFTB YT is an interview with film maker Timothy Mahoney....

VFTB 261: Timothy Mahoney - Patterns of Evidence: Exodus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWrfc-KMU4U



The significant bits.....

The six major patterns [are outlined]            10 m 50 s

The history of Egypt was used to discredit the Bible story [of Israel, in Egypt]            15 m 15 s

Students in universities today are being taught that the Bible story of Israel, in Egypt, is a faerie tale ['there is no archaeology']            16 m 54 s

The Bible asserts that the Bible record is, history. But if the Bible narrative [the history of Israel, in Egypt] is not a history [n.b. a history which was referred to by no lesser person than Jesus], then our faith is a sham            17 m 35 s

Jesus quoted the Old Testament continually, and he quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book            21 m 35 s

The biblical story of the presence of Israel [in Egypt] and the exodus of Israel [from Egypt], is not found in Egypt's archaeological history,   ...because the evidence of the presence and exodus of Israel, is within a 'wrong' time period. [the evidence is within a period of archaeological history, which archaeologists have identified as a 'wrong' time period for those possible event(s)]            26 m 00 s

But in fact, an archaeologist has identified the dwelling [a palace] and a tomb of an important person, a ruler, who was not an Egyptian, who was a Semitic person, and he was buried alongside 11 other major tombs            26 m 55 s



see also...



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Patterns of Evidence: Exodus - Full Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2assFIyLInE




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A debate rages over the credibility of the Bible’s history, not only in the origins debate, but archaeology also. Most archaeologists today have concluded that there’s no evidence that the Exodus of Hebrew slaves from Egypt ever happened. This excellent documentary is the culmination of filmmaker Timothy Mahoney’s 12-year journey around the world to search for answers. The truth is there but most are just looking, not in the wrong place, but are attributing the wrong time period for the facts they discover.
https://austore.creation.com/patterns-of-evidence-exodus




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For more than 50 years, the vast majority of the world’s most prominent archaeologists and
historians have proclaimed that there is no hard evidence to support the Exodus story found in the Bible. In fact, they say that the archaeological record is completely opposed to the Bible’s
account. This view of extreme skepticism has spread from academia to the world. The case against the Exodus appears to be so strong that even some religious leaders are labeling this
ancient account as historical fiction.
http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5424#




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The recently released documentary “Patterns of Evidence: Exodus” attempts to redirect the modern scholarly discussion of the historicity of the exodus by revealing evidence that mainstream scholars “don’t want the world to see–because it could cause them to shift their long-held positions.”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2015/02/reviewing-two-reviews-of-patterns...





imdb review...


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3464018/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3464018/reviews?ref_=tt_urv
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Author: Jeffrey Hayes Frye from Crystal Lake, IL USA
20 January 2015

I had yet to see a documentary, until now, that gave both sides of the argument an equal shot. This also felt like a movie with the music and effects that demonstrated certain pivotal points that the Director was making in his search for the truth about the evidence for the Exodus. The exposition is not over the top, and the interviews are concise, to the point. Not your typical documentary that is for sure, and a ground breaking one at that. I believe this documentary re-opens a debate that many considered closed for decades now. One of the reviews that I agree with said that, "After watching this documentary, any open minded individual would say to himself/herself, 'This makes sense'; consequently, at the very least, incline him or her to do more research for themselves." I highly recommend this to everyone, be you religious or not.


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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 10:40am
 
Historicity of such claims is an interest of mine, so I'll watch this when i get home (and not waste my entire month's mobile data on it Tongue)

I'll be very interested in if there is anything new on this topic however, as so far there has only been a clear lack of evidence for the Biblical account of the exodus.  That isn't to say it is impossible that the some Jewish people left Egypt at some time and the tale got exaggerated, but there is no evidence for millions of Jews living in Egypt, or the plagues or anything like that at all.

Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 9:59am:
Students in universities today are being taught that the Bible story of Israel, in Egypt, is a faerie tale ['there is no archaeology']            16 m 54 s


These are two separate things.  Like I said, my position is not that couldn't have happened, it is that there is no evidence to suggest that it occurred as the Bible story tells it.

I'll look forward to see what evidence they provide when i get a chance to watch it, but I'm not holding my breath.  Millions of Jewish people wandering around for 40 years and inhabiting Egypt, apocalyptic plagues, and an entire army drowned in the Red Sea definitely should have historical evidence if they happened, i'll just have to wait and see what they come up with.
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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:37am
 


Skepticism is a healthy trait, imo.

But a faux skepticism becomes corrosive and damaging, if a faux skepticism is being employed, so as to reject what is true, simply in order to defend an indefensible [and corrupt/false] worldview.


That is, 'skepticism' can also be a tool used by rogues and cowards.




John 12:42
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43  For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.


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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #3 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:40am
 
Is there any actual evidence of this?
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:45am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:40am:
Is there any actual evidence of this?



That you are a rogue ?

Yes.


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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:50am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:45am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:40am:
Is there any actual evidence of this?



That you are a rogue ?

Yes.





No of the exodus.
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:37am:
Skepticism is a healthy trait, imo.

But a faux skepticism becomes corrosive and damaging, if a faux skepticism is being employed, so as to reject what is true, simply in order to defend an indefensible [and corrupt/false] worldview.


That is, 'skepticism' can also be a tool used by rogues and cowards.



So, speaking as someone who thinks skepticism is a healthy trait, on what evidence are you assuming that the Biblical account of the exodus is true (assuming of course that you do)
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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #7 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 9:14pm
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:37am:
Skepticism is a healthy trait, imo.

But a faux skepticism becomes corrosive and damaging, if a faux skepticism is being employed, so as to reject what is true, simply in order to defend an indefensible [and corrupt/false] worldview.


That is, 'skepticism' can also be a tool used by rogues and cowards.



So, speaking as someone who thinks skepticism is a healthy trait, on what evidence are you assuming that the Biblical account of the exodus is true (assuming of course that you do)




I have not one shred of communicable evidence, of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob intervening in this physical world.

But i do personally believe that God does, has, and can, intervene in the affairs of men,      ....coz, i'm a very gullible person.         Tongue

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1396315783/327#327



But i am happy for other people to believe whatever they want to believe.     [....barring the occasion that they believe that they have a right to murder me, or those i love].

I am not responsible, for what other people choose to believe.

And i am not responsible, for the choices which other people make.



I am responsible for what i believe, and for all of the good and the poor choices which i make.





Psalms 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2  He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3  He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4  Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5  Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6  Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.




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Reading scripture is a form of spiritual invocation [i believe].
And imo, the words and thoughts expressed within scripture, express [to me] the mind of our God.
And, reading those words and thoughts, exposes me to that spirit, which i [choose, and] want to be influenced by.
i.e.
The spirit of God.
It is that simple.







"The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible."
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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #8 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 9:19pm
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:37am:
Skepticism is a healthy trait, imo.

But a faux skepticism becomes corrosive and damaging, if a faux skepticism is being employed, so as to reject what is true, simply in order to defend an indefensible [and corrupt/false] worldview.


That is, 'skepticism' can also be a tool used by rogues and cowards.



.....on what evidence are you assuming that the Biblical account of the exodus is true.....





You want evidence ?

Search it out.      .....yourself.

And then,      ....believe whatever you want to believe.



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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 10:11pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
You want evidence ?

Search it out.      .....yourself.


I am undecided.  I don't believe it happened because there is (as far as I know) no evidence to suggest a Biblical exodus.  If such evidence presents itself I would have no problem accepting it.
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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:38am
 
When you ask, is it myth, or history, you asking for an opinion, right? Otherwise, someone would plonk down indisputable records all cross referenced, and that would be the end of that.

So, opinion: Like a lot of things in the Bible, there is probably some actual basis for the story. I would think the details were quite another matter. You have to remember, they didn't have TV, so they sat around at night and made up stories. And as we all know, there is no point ruining a good yarn with the truth.
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Reply #11 - Sep 13th, 2015 at 12:36am
 

Viewing again, the official Trailer for the documentary [YT link below]....


The documentary Trailer suggests that the mainstream body of archaeologists today, are of the opinion that Joshua could not have destroyed Jericho.

How so ?

Quote:

".....If people are telling us that there was no Jericho at the time that Joshua conquered the 'promised land',     .....and therefore Joshua is a piece of fiction,     .....and therefore the conquest is a piece of fiction,

.....THEN WHY DON'T WE ASK THE SIMPLE QUESTION;

When was Jericho destroyed?"


         goto 1m 53s

Patterns of Evidence: Exodus - Full Trailer
         goto 1m 53s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2assFIyLInE

< -----------            It seems an obvious and reasonable question to ask, in trying to piece together an ancient 'jig-saw puzzle'.


The implication being made in the trailer, is that the mainstream body of archaeologists seem to want to avoid the possible 'consequence', of exploring all obvious possible questions, relating to the possibility of the presence of Israel, in Egypt ?

Why so ?

Well, i can think of at least one very good reason !



Also in the documentary trailer, someone suggests, at.....         2m 43s

"....Look at your evidence, and then come to a conclusion based on the evidence."


Q.
But how scientific [and credible!] has the archaeological process in Egyptian archaeology been, if mainstream archaeology HAS BEEN UNWILLING TO ASK obvious questions, about what existing archaeological evidences may actually imply and support, relating to the possibility of the presence of Israel, in Egypt ?



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To me, it seems likely, that supposedly 'professional' archaeologists [tainted with their own atheist prejudices] have refused [and continue to refuse] to consider, and acknowledge, archaeological evidences, which could directly point to a presence and exodus, of Israel, in and from Egypt.

Q.
And why is it likely, that those 'professional' archaeologists, have refused [and continue to refuse] to consider, and acknowledge, archaeological evidences, which seem to point to a presence and exodus, of Israel, from Egypt ????

A.
Because the whole mainstream body of archaeologists seem to be unwilling to give those evidences [which may confirm a biblical account] an impartial assessment [if the conclusion of such an assessment would clash with the current, and POLITICALLY CORRECT, mainstream [i.e. atheist] assessment of those evidences]. And, because no individual mainstream archaeologist is willing to chance his future career prospects, by 'flying such a flag'.

It's 'Modern Science', you see!

Atheistic, 'Modern Science'.

'As a preposition; We already know, for certain, that there is no God!
So if there is archaeological evidence which has been gathered, which could point to, and support a biblical account, of an exodus, of Israel, from Egypt,   ....then [obviously!!!] the archaeological evidence which could support such a conclusion, is being examined and analysed incorrectly!'

That is how 'Modern Science' works!        Tongue

What is current mainstream, and current politically correct, is reinforced by the high priesthood of any particular scientific discipline.

And with such an approach to examining evidence, that, is how 'Modern Science' is always able to come to the 'correct' conclusion, when examining archaeological evidence !

i.e.
Firstly, always eliminate consideration of any obviously wrong and obviously absurd [i.e. 'un-scientific'] conclusion.

Then, re-examine and re-analyse the available evidence with a view to fabricating with a view to coming up with a new and more realistic hypothesis.






But moving on;

If you don't accept my cynical appraisal of the 'scientific' archaeological process that has taken place in Egypt, well ok.

But i would still encourage you to acquire and view the
Patterns of Evidence: Exodus
DVD for yourself.

If you do not want to purchase the DVD yourself, go to your local public library, with the details of the DVD, and ask the atheist librarian, if the library service would consider purchasing the
Patterns of Evidence: Exodus
DVD.

And i'm sure that she won't be able to do that that she will consider doing that for you.


p.s.
I myself, have not viewed the full documentary yet.
But i have ordered the DVD.


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2 Peter 3:4
.....Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

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Reply #12 - Sep 13th, 2015 at 7:50am
 
Oh right, so it must be a giant conspiracy because they disagree with a DVD you haven't even seen yet.

I'll be interested to see what they actually have.
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Reply #13 - Sep 13th, 2015 at 12:33pm
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 13th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Oh right, so it must be a giant conspiracy because they disagree with a DVD you haven't even seen yet.




Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Skepticism is a healthy trait, imo.





But when he is skeptical about the opinions of experts and academics, that Yadda is a 'giant conspiracy' nut.



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Hey Stratos,

And all of those government advisers and humanist academics, with university degrees, also insist that;

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith!"



And of course, it is too !

That's right, eh.        Cheesy



Have no fear Stratos, in the fullness of time, 'the truth will out'.


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Reply #14 - Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:14pm
 



...

Patterns of Evidence: Exodus - Full Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2assFIyLInE



I watched the DVD last week.

It seems apparent that there is very real archaeological evidence, that has been unearthed, that supports the biblical account that Israel were present in Egypt.

And that there is very real archaeological evidence that supports the biblical account, which means that it very well could have been Israel and Joshua, who destroyed the ancient city of Jericho.



Then why won't mainstream archaeologists acknowledge that unearthed evidence, which suggests and supports the biblical account, that Israel were present in Egypt ?

Well, put very simply, most mainstream archaeologists seem to have a mind to not acknowledge that/the unearthed evidence, as being evidence relating to the biblical accounts.



Do i recommend the DVD to you ?

Yes.

The DVD is a very professional effort, which openly challenges mainstream archaeologists to re-examine the conclusions which their predecessors have previously 'set in concrete' [concerning evidences that have been unearthed].

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