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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #15 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 1:23pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm:

It seems apparent that there is very real archaeological evidence, that has been unearthed, that supports the biblical account that Israel were present in Egypt.

Interesting! What would say was the most convincing discovery that supports the Biblical account from the DVD?

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Reply #16 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:18am

Stratos wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 11:14pm:

It seems apparent that there is very real archaeological evidence, that has been unearthed, that supports the biblical account that Israel were present in Egypt.

Interesting! What would say was the most convincing discovery that supports the Biblical account from the DVD?

Stratos,

The most compelling argument, THE FAIR ARGUMENT, .....for a reassessment [of the 'time period context'] of the very real archaeological evidence which has been already uncovered in Egypt, ....is made, in the first 15 seconds of

'Patterns of Evidence: Exodus - Full Trailer'

All of the archaeological evidence [which supports the ancient presence of 'Israel in Egypt'] has been already uncovered in Egypt.

But at this time, mainstream archaeology is resolutely refusing to acknowledge that THEY [and their predecessors] could have been mistaken, in allotting specific [and wrong] time periods to the archaeological evidence [which has been uncovered in Egypt].

Watch the 'Full Trailer' [again]!

Pay attention to what is being stated, and the argument which is being made, in the first 15 seconds of the 'Full Trailer'.

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Patterns of Evidence: Exodus - Full Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2assFIyLInE

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I watched the DVD last week.

It seems apparent that there is very real archaeological evidence, that has been unearthed, that supports the biblical account that Israel were present in Egypt.

And that there is very real archaeological evidence that supports the biblical account, which means that it very well could have been Israel and Joshua, who destroyed the ancient city of Jericho.

Then why won't mainstream archaeologists acknowledge that unearthed evidence, which suggests and supports the biblical account, that Israel were present in Egypt ?

Well, put very simply, most mainstream archaeologists seem to have a mind to not acknowledge that/the unearthed evidence, as being evidence relating to the biblical accounts.

Do i recommend the DVD to you ?

Yes.

The DVD is a very professional effort, which openly challenges mainstream archaeologists to re-examine the conclusions which their predecessors have previously 'set in concrete' [concerning evidences that have been unearthed].

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history Reply #17 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:04am Yadda, I'm asking what the evidence actually is, not just a claim that it has been found. What has been unearthed that shows evidence for a historical exodus. Surely that was the whole point of the film yes?
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Reply #18 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:25am

Stratos wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:04am:

Yadda, I'm asking what the evidence actually is, not just a claim that it has been found.

What has been unearthed that shows evidence for a historical exodus. Surely that was the whole point of the film yes?

Well, i would suggest, that you watch the DVD yourself, Stratos.

Stratos,

The whole point of the documentary, was to present, 1/ the evidence and, 2/ the arguments.

So, watch the DVD yourself.

n.b.
As suggested, in the documentary trailer, at..... 2m 43s

"....Look at your evidence, and then come to a conclusion based on the evidence."

Why are you 'posturing', to avoid that experience ?

Is your excuse, that you do not have enough time, or money, to waste on such a venture ?

If so; Then don't bother!

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/0#0
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The word,
ignorance
comes from the root;
to ignore

Dictionary;
ignore = = disregard intentionally. fail to consider (something significant).

Dictionary;
ignorant, ignorance = =
1 lacking knowledge or awareness in general. uninformed about or unaware of a specific subject or fact.
2 discourteous.
3 easily angered.

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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #19 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 12:10pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 10:25am:

Well, i would suggest, that you watch the DVD yourself, Stratos.

I plan to.

But really? You won't offer a single piece of evidence they presented in it? The historicity of ancient events is a particular interest of mine, and I am genuinely curious as to what has been discovered.

I'm also curious why you won't make even an attempt to explain what was found.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history Reply #20 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 3:53pm I'm about half way through Yadda. I hope it has more, as this is incredibly flimsy.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history Reply #21 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:50am Well that was dissapointing. I have to ask Yadda, did you find it presenting a convincing case? Because the only things that were really clearly demonstrated were incredibly dull aspects. It was interesting to see the evidence of Semites in Egypt though.
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Reply #22 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:53am

Stratos wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:50am:

Well that was dissapointing.

I have to ask Yadda, did you find it presenting a convincing case? Because the only things that were really clearly demonstrated were incredibly dull aspects.

It was interesting to see the evidence of Semites in Egypt though.

Surprise, surprise. [....not]

Stratos wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:04am:

Yadda, I'm asking what the evidence actually is, not just a claim that it has been found.

What has been unearthed that shows evidence for a historical exodus. Surely that was the whole point of the film yes?

All of the principle evidences are identified [and revealed] in the trailer.

Duh.

But for something which is mentioned only on the DVD....

At 50 min 30 sec in the DVD, note the Brooklyn Papyrus evidence which is presented, confirming the presence of a substantial semite community in Egypt - AT A PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD.

At 51 min 38 sec in the DVD;

"This is real evidence for the time when the Israelites were in Egypt as slaves."

And mentioned at 52 min 22 sec in the DVD; ....note well, the reason, that the Brooklyn Papyrus evidence is rejected by mainstream archaeologists!

Duh !

Duh !

Duh !

LOL Grin

AND SO;

The archaeological evidence [for the Israelites in Egypt], is all there.

That archaeological evidence, has already been uncovered.

That archaeological evidence, has already been examined.

But the evidence [for the Israelites being in Egypt] has been rejected, by men [i.e. by mankind].

Why so ?

Because a proper conclusion, of what all the 'unearthed' evidence supports [i.e. the biblical account, of the Israelites existing, in Egypt, as slaves], does not fit in, with the self-aggrandising worldview of men.

[i.e. such a conclusion [a proper conclusion, of what all the 'unearthed' evidence supports] violently conflicts, with the atheistic worldview which 'prevails' in this age]

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Atheists, mainstream archaeologists included, whose worldview [which is stated in their own professional, 'authoritative' conclusion of the archaeological evidences, evidences which have been uncovered in Egypt] proclaim - AND RECONFIRM - that it is mankind himself [i.e. themselves], that are 'confirmed' to be, the actual pinnacle of the 'self evident' evolutionary process ! LOL Grin

Romans 1:22, 25

2 Thessalonians 2:4 !!!!!!!

1 Corinthians 3:16

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Yadda said....
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I watched the DVD last week.

It seems apparent that there is very real archaeological evidence, that has been unearthed, that supports the biblical account that Israel were present in Egypt.

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The DVD is a very professional effort, which openly challenges mainstream archaeologists to re-examine the conclusions which their predecessors have previously 'set in concrete' [concerning evidences that have been unearthed].

A challenge which mainstream archaeologists and mainstream archaeology has dismissed as being 'beneath them'.

LOL Grin

Such heady vanity, and self deception!

How typical, of man.

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Re: Exodus from Egypt - is it just a myth, or history
Reply #23 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 11:27am

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:53am:

note the Brooklyn Papyrus evidence which is presented, confirming the presence of a substantial semite community in Egypt

That was interesting. So you have evidence of one of the most mundane aspects of the Exodus story, which really should come as no surprise.

But when evidence came to the more fantastical aspects of it, funnily enough there really wasn't anything there.

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:53am:

note well, the reason, that the Brooklyn Papyrus evidence is rejected by mainstream archaeologists!

I heard that quote (and just listened to it again to check) and then had a look. I couldn't find anyone who disagreed with the obvious conclusion (that there were Semitic slaves in Egypt).

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:53am:

The archaeological evidence [for the Israelites in Egypt], is all there.

I'm pretty sure nobody has argued they weren't. But in terms of the extraordinary events of the Exodus account, there was pretty much nothing.

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:53am:

Because a proper conclusion, of what all the 'unearthed' evidence supports [i.e. the biblical account, of the Israelites existing, in Egypt, as slaves], does not fit in, with the self-aggrandising worldview of men.

It's on the wikipedia page for "semitic people". No need to overdramatise things you obviously haven't researched yourself. I'm not kidding, please look it up for yourself and see what is actually being claimed by archaeologists and historians in this regard.

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Reply #24 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:33pm

Stratos wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 11:27am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:53am:

The archaeological evidence [for the Israelites in Egypt], is all there.

I'm pretty sure nobody has argued they weren't.

But in terms of the extraordinary events of the Exodus account, there was pretty much nothing.

Ah.

So your argument is;

AS A PREPOSITION IN FACT;
There is no evidence of the existence of an interventionist creator God;
Therefore any claims for "the extraordinary events of the Exodus..."
, that is, the fact of the Israelites, leaving Egypt and being aided by a 'supernatural' means, cannot be verified from any of the archaeological evidence which has been uncovered in Egypt.

There is some evidence [in the form of an ancient document], of catastrophe events coming upon Egypt, but evidence that those events happened to Egypt, immediately prior to the Israelites leaving Egypt, clearly cannot be substantiated.

Watch 1 hr 05 min 15 sec to 1 hr 14 min 35 sec, detailing evidence in the form of 'the writings of Ipuwer'.

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Reply #25 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:08pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Watch 1 hr 05 min 15 sec to 1 hr 14 min 35 sec, detailing evidence in the form of 'the writings of Ipuwer'.

Yeah, funny how they focus entirely on the things that support the Biblical narrative, some two lines or so in a 26 verse prose, and completely ignore the rest, some of which is directly contradictory to the Bible (that is, if you take it as some kind of a historical document, which it doesn't claim to be by the way). I found a translation here Yadda, have a read sometime.

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/ipuwer.htm

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Reply #26 - Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 10:14pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Therefore any claims for "the extraordinary events of the Exodus...", that is, the fact of the Israelites, leaving Egypt and being aided by a 'supernatural' means, cannot be verified from any of the archaeological evidence which has been uncovered in Egypt.

I have no problem thinking of Exodus as a myth based on an event in the past. What I don't buy is that the Bible is a historically accurate document, as there are countless times where it has been shown not to be.

If it happened, and there is evidence to support that (through archaeology, historians etc.) then fair enough, you can make a good case that it happened. I'm not arguing that Semites didn't live in Egypt, but rather that there is no evidence that most of the remarkable things in the Bible there appears to be no evidence of (i.e. people living 500+ years, a global flood, an Exodus of 2 million people, Jesus existence)

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