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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #60 - Aug 16^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

Can you identify the paper published by the first scientist denying climate change.

If you don't know you are a denier. A true skeptic will know.

Climate change has been with us since the Earth formed into a molten piece of rock, otherwise it would still be so.

No matter what humans do they cannot control climate change on the Earth.

Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) on the other hand is a hoax by the oligarchy to create a $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market so they can tax you and me on the air we breath while they play their games with government and peoples money.

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #62 - Aug 16^th, 2015 at 12:33pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

So why are you coupling the SCIENTIFIC peer review process with the publishing industry?

The scientific peer review stage is an important element of the scientific process. The "scientific method" is not to be confused with the peer reviewed process.

The PhD thesis examination stage is a prime example of peer review. And guess what? When the thesis passes this stage, the PhD is able to be published.

When a scientific article or thesis fails the peer review process is may be due to a variety of reasons. The scientific method used may be fine, but perhaps the work isnt novel or merely a derivative of previous work.

Because the scientific peer review process is ONLY actually require by scientific journals, NOT by science itself.

Too right gizmo.

When science with its theories gets proven by observations and data in accordance with that theory and is then documented and implemented, then the science becomes engineering.

Science does not rely on consensus and peer review.

Didn't Cambridge University throw out Newton's Principia Mathematica because they couldn't understand what Newton had accomplished.

So much for peer reviewed.

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change Reply #63 - Aug 16^th, 2015 at 4:24pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:19pm: ...politics is infused in every human endevour - and science is not immune to it's degrading and self corrupting effects Otherwise summised as: ALL HUMAN RELATIONS IS POLITICS!
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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #65 - Aug 16^th, 2015 at 4:44pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 16^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

MOTR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

Can you identify the paper published by the first scientist denying climate change.

If you don't know you are a denier. A true skeptic will know.

Climate change has been with us since the Earth formed into a molten piece of rock, otherwise it would still be so.

No matter what humans do they cannot control climate change on the Earth.

Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) on the other hand is a hoax by the oligarchy to create a $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market so they can tax you and me on the air we breath while they play their games with government and peoples money.

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #66 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:03pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 16^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

So why are you coupling the SCIENTIFIC peer review process with the publishing industry?

The scientific peer review stage is an important element of the scientific process. The "scientific method" is not to be confused with the peer reviewed process.

The PhD thesis examination stage is a prime example of peer review. And guess what? When the thesis passes this stage, the PhD is able to be published.

When a scientific article or thesis fails the peer review process is may be due to a variety of reasons. The scientific method used may be fine, but perhaps the work isnt novel or merely a derivative of previous work.

Because the scientific peer review process is ONLY actually require by scientific journals, NOT by science itself.

Too right gizmo.

When science with its theories gets proven by observations and data in accordance with that theory and is then documented and implemented, then the science becomes engineering.

Science does not rely on consensus and peer review.

Didn't Cambridge University throw out Newton's Principia Mathematica because they couldn't understand what Newton had accomplished.

So much for peer reviewed.

Engineering is an applied science: not anymore complicated than that!

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #67 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:06pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Gone quiet Chimp??....Why is that?

proof and logic are tested by the peer review process gizmo.

The peer reviewers/examiners must arrive at a consensus

You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper....

You will reach the centre of the earth very soon if youre not careful gizmo

http://wwwcdn.channel5.com/assets/images/000/030/361/large_size_MonkeyLife_S5_Ch...

Actually no, they are not...

Peer review...ask Copernicus and Galileo Galilei about "consensus" in science??

And going by YOUR idea of "science"..will I find Pellucidar when I reach the 'centre of the Earth'???

There is consensus of fact and then there is concensus of opinion Cheesy

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #68 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Gone quiet Chimp??....Why is that?

proof and logic are tested by the peer review process gizmo.

The peer reviewers/examiners must arrive at a consensus

You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper....

You will reach the centre of the earth very soon if youre not careful gizmo

http://wwwcdn.channel5.com/assets/images/000/030/361/large_size_MonkeyLife_S5_Ch...

Actually no, they are not...

Peer review...ask Copernicus and Galileo Galilei about "consensus" in science??

And going by YOUR idea of "science"..will I find Pellucidar when I reach the 'centre of the Earth'???

Gizmo is still talking about consensus of opinion to waste the kids time!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #69 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:17pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Gone quiet Chimp??....Why is that?

proof and logic are tested by the peer review process gizmo.

The peer reviewers/examiners must arrive at a consensus

You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper....

You will reach the centre of the earth very soon if youre not careful gizmo

http://wwwcdn.channel5.com/assets/images/000/030/361/large_size_MonkeyLife_S5_Ch...

Actually no, they are not...

Peer review...ask Copernicus and Galileo Galilei about "consensus" in science??

And going by YOUR idea of "science"..will I find Pellucidar when I reach the 'centre of the Earth'???

Gizmo is still talking about consensus of opinion to waste the kids time!

The "97% consensus" on AGW actually IS a consensus of opinion though...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #70 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Gone quiet Chimp??....Why is that?

proof and logic are tested by the peer review process gizmo.

The peer reviewers/examiners must arrive at a consensus

You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper....

You will reach the centre of the earth very soon if youre not careful gizmo

http://wwwcdn.channel5.com/assets/images/000/030/361/large_size_MonkeyLife_S5_Ch...

Actually no, they are not...

Peer review...ask Copernicus and Galileo Galilei about "consensus" in science??

And going by YOUR idea of "science"..will I find Pellucidar when I reach the 'centre of the Earth'???

Gizmo is still talking about consensus of opinion to waste the kids time!

The "97% consensus" on AGW actually IS a consensus of opinion though...

Professional, expert opinion.

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Dr Sircus cures cancer with Baking Soda and Magnesium - Jethro the MENTAL GIANT & his flute madness

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #71 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:51pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Gone quiet Chimp??....Why is that?

proof and logic are tested by the peer review process gizmo.

The peer reviewers/examiners must arrive at a consensus

You keep digging that hole deeper and deeper....

You will reach the centre of the earth very soon if youre not careful gizmo

http://wwwcdn.channel5.com/assets/images/000/030/361/large_size_MonkeyLife_S5_Ch...

Actually no, they are not...

Peer review...ask Copernicus and Galileo Galilei about "consensus" in science??

And going by YOUR idea of "science"..will I find Pellucidar when I reach the 'centre of the Earth'???

Gizmo is still talking about consensus of opinion to waste the kids time!

The "97% consensus" on AGW actually IS a consensus of opinion though...

Professional, expert opinion.

75 out of 77 'expert's' opinion from a survey pool of 3146.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #72 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

gizmo_3466 believes there is only one type of opinion. Every opinion is of equal weight. This is why Courts of law put expert witnesses up in the dock to swear under oath and deliver "OPINIONS" and then the prosecution (or defense) grabs a complete stranger from the street and puts them on the stand to give an opposite OPINION. Case closed according to gizmo's Sircus world of puppetry and clown maggotry Cheesy

gizmo_4266 is one very strange digger - keeps deepening the hole of disgrace deeper and deeper the more he tries to defend his lunacy and crack pot AGW denialism.

Is there a limit to gizmo's intense hatred of the little innocent children and his devotion and love of the Peabody Coal Company and their profit margins???

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Re: What the media isn't telling you Climate Change
Reply #73 - Aug 17^th, 2015 at 3:54pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 2:59pm:

gizmo_3466 believes there is only one type of opinion. Every opinion is of equal weight. This is why Courts of law put expert witnesses up in the dock to swear under oath and deliver "OPINIONS" and then the prosecution (or defense) grabs a complete stranger from the street and puts them on the stand to give an opposite OPINION. Case closed according to gizmo's Sircus world of puppetry and clown maggotry Cheesy

gizmo_4266 is one very strange digger - keeps deepening the hole of disgrace deeper and deeper the more he tries to defend his lunacy and crack pot AGW denialism.

Is there a limit to gizmo's intense hatred of the little innocent children and his devotion and love of the Peabody Coal Company and their profit margins???

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/ba94dbb5-1ab1-4012-877a-9db702b4f75b/a44f07ed-df74-4...

Nope, wrong again as usual, oh banana breath. There are lots of different "opinions" and they all have almost no basis in science.

I don't 'hate' children. I just don't want to stick them with massive debt, for no benefit.

Despite what you believe, the evidence for 'catastrophic, human caused climate change' is at best ambiguous, and at worst, monstrously (or even criminally) over-stated (invented).

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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