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New paper on CO2
Aug 4^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

'Continuing current carbon dioxide (CO2) emission trends throughout this century and beyond would leave a legacy of heat and acidity in the deep ocean. These changes would linger even if the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration were to be restored to pre-industrial levels at some point in the future, according to a new Nature Climate Change paper from an international team including Carnegie’s Ken Caldeira. This is due to the tremendous inertia of the ocean system.

Greenhouse gases emitted by human activities not only cause rapid warming of the seas, but also an unprecedented rate of ocean acidification. Ocean acidification occurs when atmospheric carbon dioxide is absorbed by the ocean and forms carbonic acid, inhibiting coral reef growth and threatening marine life.'

https://carnegiescience.edu/news/greenhouse-gases%E2%80%99-millennia-long-ocean-...

So now we know- inertia is a one-way condition.

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #2 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

An increase in atmospheric CO2 has an immediate effect on the oceans forming carbonic acid....!!!!

But a reduction in atmospheric CO2 doesn't even count or help in reducing the carbonic acid in the oceans ....???

Then what the ferk are we worried about....????

Sounds like an alarmist paper designed to scare the bejesus out of people that think the experts know what they're doing.

MALARKEY.....MALARKEY.....MALARKEY....!!!!!!!

What does the current data say.

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #5 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:09pm

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Well, I guess we will leave one hell of a legacy behind!

Dear Sir/Madam,

I will check my records, and all the relevant documentation, but I doubt very much that you were given written permission to post a comment of this level of deranged lunacy in this particular thread.

I suggest that you apologise and then leave

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #6 - Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:19pm

lee wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

'Continuing current carbon dioxide (CO2) emission trends throughout this century and beyond would leave a legacy of heat and acidity in the deep ocean. These changes would linger even if the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration were to be restored to pre-industrial levels at some point in the future, according to a new Nature Climate Change paper from an international team including Carnegie’s Ken Caldeira. This is due to the tremendous inertia of the ocean system.

Greenhouse gases emitted by human activities not only cause rapid warming of the seas, but also an unprecedented rate of ocean acidification. Ocean acidification occurs when atmospheric carbon dioxide is absorbed by the ocean and forms carbonic acid, inhibiting coral reef growth and threatening marine life.'

https://carnegiescience.edu/news/greenhouse-gases%E2%80%99-millennia-long-ocean-...

So now we know- inertia is a one-way condition.

It is a very worrying article.
I believe that CO2 does cause ocean acidification.
The atmosphere should not be a rubbish tip for our CO2.

When the new ice age is over in 2030 to 2040 we can expect
temperatures to go up horribly.

I am glad that Obama is trying to do something about it.
I also hope that nuclear fusion or Thorium reactors can replace the present power generation methods.

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #7 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 10:09am

So it's not a MINI ICE AGE ladies and gentlemen.

It's a NEW ICE AGE.

yes you heard it right here, on the jethro newsflash, which has been verified by Dr Sircus and his baking soda cancer cure circus act, and Dr Lie with her deranged lunacy.

A NEW ICE AGE, that commenced in 2014 (the warmest year on record) and will stop suddenly in 2029, exactly 15 years later. Then rapid horrible warming will start cooking the planet.

And Jethro is so sure of his religious theories and slave sermons that he has augmented the finishing time of his 15 year NEW ICE AGE event by as much as 11 years.

Apparently this NEW ICE AGE, may cease sometime in the period 2030-2040.

Not 2031 to 2043, not 2029 to 2037, not 2034 to 2041...

Oh no, it's definitely 2030 to 2040. A 15 year NEW ICE AGE that may run for 26 years and then suddenly stop so that horrible warming may take place.

If Dr Sircus and Dr Lie had not verified the predictive work of Jethro and his slaved based church group then one may start to worry about its accuracy.

And remember Dr Sircus can cure cancer with baking soda and magnesium powder bought at the supermarket. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #8 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 11:19am Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:19pm: I believe that CO2 does cause ocean acidification. What about he HUGE buffering of the system already in place?
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Reply #9 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

Warming makes the oceans out gas more CO2 into the atmosphere so how can this make the oceans more acidic.

Cooling makes the oceans absorb more CO2 from the atmosphere and then we would have some acidification..!!!

Quote:

New paper debunks ‘ocean acidification’ scare, finds warming increases pH

Via the Hockey Schtick:

A paper published Friday in Climate of the Past reconstructs water pH and temperature from a lake in central Japan over the past 280,000 years and clearly shows that pH increases [becomes more basic or alkaline] due to warmer temperatures, and vice-versa, becomes more acidic [or “acidified” if you prefer] due to cooling temperatures. This finding is the opposite of the false assumptions behind the “ocean acidification” scare, but is compatible with the basic chemistry of Henry’s Law and outgassing of CO2 from the oceans with warming.

Thus, if global warming resumes after the “pause,” ocean temperatures will rise along with CO2 outgassing, which will make the oceans more basic, not acidic. You simply cannot have it both ways:

Quote:

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“Either the oceans are getting warmer and the CO2 concentration in seawater is decreasing, which means that ocean acidification from man-made CO2 from the atmosphere is nonsense.

Quote:

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Or the oceans are getting cooler and the man-made CO2 from the atmosphere is dissolving in those cooler oceans and causing – insignificant – ocean acidification, which means that warming oceans and the associated sea level rises are nonsense.

Quote:

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Take your pick – REAL SCIENCE says you can’t have both.”

In addition, the paper shows that pH of the lake varied over a wide range from ~7.5 to 8.8 simply depending on the temperature of each month of the year. As the “acidification” alarmists like to say, a variation of 1.3 pH units is equivalent to a 1995% change in hydrogen ions due to the logarithmic pH scale, just over a single year! Summer months are of course associated with warmer temperatures and more alkaline, higher pH and winter months associated with colder temperatures and much more “acidified” lower pH values. Note also how pH varies widely over ~7.5 to 8.8 simply dependent on the depth at a given time, because colder deeper waters can hold higher partial pressures of CO2 than the warmer surface waters

Read more here
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/21/new-paper-debunks-acidification-scare-find...

Also read here.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/search?q=acidification+henry's

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #10 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

the illness and hatred is strong here

It's just logic and common sense....nothing more or less..!!!

The oligarchy will do anything to tax us on the air we breathe.

You say your against subsidies to multi nationals who have billions to burn.

Then why would you condone these very same people in taxing us on the air we breathe.

BTW Sir Bobby, CO2 is not pollution......????

Those bubbles in your beer and soft drinks are CO2.

We breathe and exhale CO2 as long as we live.

Without CO2 there would be no plants......get the picture..????

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #11 - Aug 5^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Warming makes the oceans out gas more CO2 into the atmosphere so how can this make the oceans more acidic.

Cooling makes the oceans absorb more CO2 from the atmosphere and then we would have some acidification..!!!

What are the relative rates of absorption at different water temperatures?

You also need to examine the transport mechanisms (ie mass transfer within the oceans, and especially at the water/air interface)

I assume that you have looked into these mechanisms in detail Batman - there is ample literature available.

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #12 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:35pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

the illness and hatred is strong here

It's just logic and common sense....nothing more or less..!!!

The oligarchy will do anything to tax us on the air we breathe.

You say your against subsidies to multi nationals who have billions to burn.

Then why would you condone these very same people in taxing us on the air we breathe.

http://i62.tinypic.com/51ukcy.png

BTW Sir Bobby, CO2 is not pollution......????

Those bubbles in your beer and soft drinks are CO2.

We breathe and exhale CO2 as long as we live.

Without CO2 there would be no plants......get the picture..????

CO2 is being injected from under-ground! It has a direct relationship with temperature and thus the negative externality is recognised by people smarter than you Wink

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Re: New paper on CO2
Reply #13 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Warming makes the oceans out gas more CO2 into the atmosphere so how can this make the oceans more acidic.

Cooling makes the oceans absorb more CO2 from the atmosphere and then we would have some acidification..!!!

Quote:

New paper debunks ‘ocean acidification’ scare, finds warming increases pH

Via the Hockey Schtick:

A paper published Friday in Climate of the Past reconstructs water pH and temperature from a lake in central Japan over the past 280,000 years and clearly shows that pH increases [becomes more basic or alkaline] due to warmer temperatures, and vice-versa, becomes more acidic [or “acidified” if you prefer] due to cooling temperatures. This finding is the opposite of the false assumptions behind the “ocean acidification” scare, but is compatible with the basic chemistry of Henry’s Law and outgassing of CO2 from the oceans with warming.

Thus, if global warming resumes after the “pause,” ocean temperatures will rise along with CO2 outgassing, which will make the oceans more basic, not acidic. You simply cannot have it both ways:

Quote:

“
“Either the oceans are getting warmer and the CO2 concentration in seawater is decreasing, which means that ocean acidification from man-made CO2 from the atmosphere is nonsense.

Quote:

“
Or the oceans are getting cooler and the man-made CO2 from the atmosphere is dissolving in those cooler oceans and causing – insignificant – ocean acidification, which means that warming oceans and the associated sea level rises are nonsense.

Quote:

“
Take your pick – REAL SCIENCE says you can’t have both.”

In addition, the paper shows that pH of the lake varied over a wide range from ~7.5 to 8.8 simply depending on the temperature of each month of the year. As the “acidification” alarmists like to say, a variation of 1.3 pH units is equivalent to a 1995% change in hydrogen ions due to the logarithmic pH scale, just over a single year! Summer months are of course associated with warmer temperatures and more alkaline, higher pH and winter months associated with colder temperatures and much more “acidified” lower pH values. Note also how pH varies widely over ~7.5 to 8.8 simply dependent on the depth at a given time, because colder deeper waters can hold higher partial pressures of CO2 than the warmer surface waters

Read more here
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/21/new-paper-debunks-acidification-scare-find...

Also read here.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/search?q=acidification+henry's

While a high school textbook will tell you everything is less soluble at higher temperatures this is not the only factor at play.... Cheesy

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21592 Gender:	Re: New paper on CO2 Reply #14 - Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:41pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 3:35pm: CO2 is being injected from under-ground! Oh no Natural CO2 is causing warming.
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