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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #30 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

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The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:

Change public perceptions around welfare.
End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.
End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.
Raise Newstart above the poverty level.
Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.
Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and
Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities.

I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc.

so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed?? Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed? BTW that was a primary cause for the GFC

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #31 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #32 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES. Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #33 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES. Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...'

that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%. give me 5.9% any day.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #34 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

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............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........
......

turn the hoses onto them.

We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work.

and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined. Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments. there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people.

That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist ffs.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #35 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES. Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...'

that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%. give me 5.9% any day.

Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #36 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed??

of course they shouldn't, when was the last time you went to a coffee shop and were asked your occupation before being admitted? Cheesy

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed?

Can you name one single group that banks are 'forced' to make loans to?

no wonder everyone think you're an idiot. Grin

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #37 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

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The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:

Change public perceptions around welfare.
End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.
End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.
Raise Newstart above the poverty level.
Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.
Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and
Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities.

I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc.

so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed??

Which cafes are doing this? Or you're just making up sht again.

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Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed?

Smart banks assess on the basis of ability to repay. Unemployment doesn't enter into it.

Quote:

BTW that was a primary cause for the GFC

No, the primary cause of the GFC was lax regulation of various banks. Good that you're finally admitting there WAS a GFC after denying it for seven years.

But you're being wilfully obtuse.

Employers discriminate against the unemployed when hiring, for no other reason than the applicant is unemployed. Anyone of even modest intelligence can see why this is a problem.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #38 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:13pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES. Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...'

that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%. give me 5.9% any day.

Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

Where you bin, Laden? It was 13.4% in May......2015 that is..... amazing when you consider how many such youth are students or MacFries servitors.....

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #39 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:15pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:13pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES. Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...'

that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%. give me 5.9% any day.

Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

Where you bin, Laden? It was 13.4% in May......2015 that is..... amazing when you consider how many such youth are students or MacFries servitors.....

Hovering at around 20% in some places.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 38122 Gender:	Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally Reply #40 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:28pm whilst 13.4 % is bad, in the big spending, big government, big debt nations like spain, italy and france it varies between 25 % and up to 50 %. only small business can employ young people, governments are too broke. make life easier for small business.
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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #41 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:49pm

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Quote:

............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........
......

turn the hoses onto them.

We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work.

and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined. Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments. there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people.

That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist for goodness sake.

there is a clue in there for you to explore...

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Reply #42 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:51pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

cods wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

gosh how did anyone find a job before smartphones?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

how did they find jobs before TELEPHONES, or before cars, what about before the telegram?

They were advertised in the newspaper. You went to a public phone and rang the boss.

They were stuck on the wall in the CES, you ripped one off, gave it to the clerk behind the desk and she/he rang the boss and made the appointment for you.

Both methods are superceded, something the righties have no conception of.......progress what!

Quite right.

My daughter joined 3 job network agencies to try to find some casual work in between uni and studying. All she gets is phone calls trying to coerce (and i use that word deliberately) her into courses that cost a fortune.

Bloody useless.

Back when i was a kid, we had the CES. Walk in, pull a job off the board. Too easy.

you know a statement is going to be a dewey-eyed walk down memory lane when it starts with 'back when I was a kid...'

that same 'too easy' period of time was also unemployment of 10%. give me 5.9% any day.

Youth unemployment is not 5.9% though is it?

and if that were the discussion you might have a point. But then you'd have to quote the youth unemployment figures of the 70s as well which alas, do not exist. That way you can pretend all you want.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #43 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55pm

Bam wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:30pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:09am:

Quote:

The community believe there are many areas of welfare delivery that need improvement and are calling to:

Change public perceptions around welfare.
End the demonization and dismissal of Welfare Recipients.
End the enforced poverty endured by over one million Australian Welfare Recipients.
Raise Newstart above the poverty level.
Increase funding to protect Australian Women from Domestic Violence.
Support Indigenous Australians in the quest to retain their communities; and
Stop the withdrawal of funding (ie. forced closure) of Indigenous Communities.

I would add removal of discrimination to that list. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of employment status in the same way that it is currently illegal to discriminate on the basis of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion etc.

so cafes can no longer refuse to serve the unemployed??

Which cafes are doing this? Or you're just making up sht again.

Quote:

Banks should be forced to give mortgage loans to the unemployed?

Smart banks assess on the basis of ability to repay. Unemployment doesn't enter into it.

Quote:

BTW that was a primary cause for the GFC

No, the primary cause of the GFC was lax regulation of various banks. Good that you're finally admitting there WAS a GFC after denying it for seven years.

But you're being wilfully obtuse.

Employers discriminate against the unemployed when hiring, for no other reason than the applicant is unemployed. Anyone of even modest intelligence can see why this is a problem.

you are the one who brought discrimination on employment status into it dimwit. Can you find a singular example of that even existing? the discimination against the unemployed that you claim exists in hiring is just a story. Discrimination implies invalid reasoning, not valid rejection. A person with spotty emplyment history or has been unemplyed for 3 years without clear reason represents a risk for employers. That is not discrimination. it is risk management.

I also look forward to you explaining how employment has no impact on loan applications. That should be good.

But you specialise in lying and being obtuse.

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Re: State Of Our Welfare Safety Net Protest Rally
Reply #44 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Quote:

............On a cold, wet, winters day dozens of Goulburn residents came together to rally against the disgraceful state of the welfare system and try to change the perception that welfare recipients are bludgers........
......

turn the hoses onto them.

We turn the hoses on all the rightard bludgers. This country is full of lazy rightard misers who have not donated to charity for years and who do nothing but sit on their arses all day looting money from other people's work.

and ironically it is the right-wing RICH people who outgive the lefites and poor by very big margin. Bill Gates gives more money to charity than the rest of the population of the planet combined. Warren Buffet is trying to beat him. Twiggy spends more money on training aboriginals than some governments. there are exceptions... Gina gives nuffin to nobody, but neither do a lot of other people.

That's because rich people generally are right wing. Also Warren Buffet or Gates would barely be considered "Right wing" in the modern political climate more like centrist-liberals. Fox News calls Buffet a Communist for goodness sake.

there is a clue in there for you to explore...

It's psychological and out of self interest.
Studies have shown that people who win the lotto tend to turn instantly right wing as well.

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