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71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm

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71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

These papers don't exist according to paid climate propagandist John Cook of SS

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/71-new-papers-reported-in-2013.html

71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Raspopov et al 2013
Turner et al 2014
Misios and Schmidt 2014
Gray et al. 2014
Florides et al. 2013
Patterson et al. 2013
Steinhilber and Beer 2013
Miyake et al. 2013
Gil-Alana et al. 2013
Laken and Calogovic 2013
de Jager and Nieuwenhuijzen 2013
Wirth et al. 2013
Phipps et al. 2013
Burn and Palmer 2013
Magny et al. 2013
Roth and Joos 2013
Lockwood 2013
Scafetta 2013
Love, 2013
Roy 2013
Scafetta 2013
van Geel and Ziegler 2013
Anet et al. 2013
El Bilali et al. 2013
Schultz 2013
Galloway et al. 2013
NAS 2012
Wen et al. 2013
Gómez-Navarro and Zorita 2013
Lu, 2012.
Asmerom et al. 2013
Stolze et al. 2013
Van Oldenborgh et al. 2013
Matthes et al. 2013
Meehl et al. 2013
YuXin et al. 2013
Usoskin et al. 2013
Thomas et. El. 2013
Jackson and Foster 2013
Kobashi et al. 2013
Stolze et al. 2013
Hervé et al. in press
Frezotti et al. 2013
Nagaya et al. 2012
Gu et al. 2012
Di Rita 2013
Patterson et al. in press
Heredia and Elias 2013
Charbonneau 2013
Tung and Zhou 2013
Kern et al. 2013
Chen et al. 2013
Wang & Su 2013
Clete and Lefevre 2012
Dietrich et al. 2013
Bleicher, 2013
Scaife et al. 2013
Bochnicek et al. 2012
Czymzik et al. 2013

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #1 - May 29^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

so thats it then, we can burn all the fossil fuels in the earths crust as quickly as possible

Lucky we have Ajax here ladies and gentlemen, the resident denier and smelly bat

I will spend some time over the weekend looking at some of these so called authors and their conclusions.

I am sure Ajax has checked them out already - like he did with the other crack pot list and Dr Sircus and his baking soda cancer cure

get back to you soon with some feedback Batcrap

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #2 - May 29^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

so thats it then, we can burn all the fossil fuels in the earths crust as quickly as possible

Lucky we have Ajax here ladies and gentlemen, the resident denier and smelly bat

I will spend some time over the weekend looking at some of these so called authors and their conclusions.

I am sure Ajax has checked them out already - like he did with the other crack pot list and Dr Sircus and his baking soda cancer cure

get back to you soon with some feedback Batcrap

Look all you like stinky, just because your side resorts to anything bar science to shove CO2 end of the world stuff down people throats doesn't mean everyone plays like that.

But your side playing like that thinks everyone plays like that.

Not so our side are just facts............choke on a few et als why don't you....!!!!

Can you even understand them you red arse smelly ape.

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #3 - May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[quote]71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

You idiot. Of course the sun controlled climate over geological time. That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

Nobody is saying that the sun is not relevant. Nobody is saying that there are no other factors.

Find a single paper that states that anthropogenc CO2 will not cause an increases in global temperature though.

I'm not going to delve into Cirque de Soleil's list, but somebody else might want to.

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #4 - May 30^th, 2015 at 5:26am

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

But your side playing like that thinks everyone plays like that.

Not so our side are just facts............choke on a few et als why don't you....!!!!

Can you even understand them you red arse smelly ape.

Shonky pseudoscience, misinterpretation of scientific papers and cherry picking. Slip in a few Lower Tropospheric temperatures to
demonstrate a hiatus and hope that nobody notices,

Anything but facts. It's a cottage manufacturing industry, manufacturing lies and shonky data. It doesn't cost much to manufacture lies because nobody has to do any real research. Just lie about existing research.

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #5 - May 30^th, 2015 at 10:03am

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[quote]71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

You idiot. Of course the sun controlled climate over geological time. That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

Nobody is saying that the sun is not relevant. Nobody is saying that there are no other factors.

Find a single paper that states that anthropogenc CO2 will not cause an increases in global temperature though.

I'm not going to delve into Cirque de Soleil's list, but somebody else might want to.

So what you're saying is once man starting spewing CO2 into the atmosphere that became the driver of temperature here Earth........??????

You know that we have 0.04% of CO2 in the atmosphere at the moment from natural and manmade sources and from that total 0.04% man contribution is about 4% of the total atmospheric CO2 budget.

You also know that if the sun for some reason or another sneezes the natural budget of CO2 here on Earth has the potential to double in size, dwarfing anything man can emit.

So what do we have today, today we have man pumping out CO2 into the atmosphere like never before.

Since 1998 more than probably half of all CO2 that man has emitted has gone up into the atmosphere, I can remember exactly how many gigatonnes but about half man's total emissions since 1998.

What's happening to the temperature......??????

Its not increasing like the IPCC said it would, its actually tapered off, remained steady, yet man is pumping more and more CO2 into the atmosphere 24/7.

Why have temperatures stagnated while CO2 is mechanical injected into the atmosphere Cool

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Many papers have predicted that we have enetered into a new maunder minimum and that temperatures will fall for the next 30 years or so, even though man is pumping more CO2 than ever into the atmosphere.

This proves one thing that CO2 doesn't control temperature here on Earth dummy, the sun does.

It always has.

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #6 - May 30^th, 2015 at 10:06am

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:26am:

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

But your side playing like that thinks everyone plays like that.

Not so our side are just facts............choke on a few et als why don't you....!!!!

Can you even understand them you red arse smelly ape.

Shonky pseudoscience, misinterpretation of scientific papers and cherry picking. Slip in a few Lower Tropospheric temperatures to
demonstrate a hiatus and hope that nobody notices,

Anything but facts. It's a cottage manufacturing industry, manufacturing lies and shonky data. It doesn't cost much to manufacture lies because nobody has to do any real research. Just lie about existing research.

You're really starting to sound like an algorian from the al gore church of climatology, pathetic that you could knock so many papers from around the world in just a heart beat without knowing their context.

You sir are an imbecile parading around like a man of the know.......LMFAO......... Grin

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Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2
Reply #7 - May 30^th, 2015 at 10:16am

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[quote]71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

You idiot. Of course the sun controlled climate over geological time. That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

Nobody is saying that the sun is not relevant. Nobody is saying that there are no other factors.

Find a single paper that states that anthropogenc CO2 will not cause an increases in global temperature though.

I'm not going to delve into Cirque de Soleil's list, but somebody else might want to.

So how relevant is the sun to the current/recent climate activity, 75%? 90%? 95%??

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21376 Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #8 - May 30^th, 2015 at 11:54am John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am: That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. Can you quote any time there were not coal and peat fires that were not caused by man?
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Reply #9 - May 30^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

Steinhilber and Beer

One of the magnificent 71 that Ajax the clown copied and pasted from a fossil web site can apparently predict solar activity for NEXT 500 years. Yes ladies and gentlemen these two geniuses use computer modeling techniques to generate solutions to their theoretical equations over a time scale of 5 centuries. Ajax accepts these predictions as accurate, sublime, supreme, scientific and valid ladies and gentlemen.

Poor Sooky Sooky Batman

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgra.50210/abstract

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Reply #10 - May 30^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[quote]71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

You idiot. Of course the sun controlled climate over geological time. That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

Nobody is saying that the sun is not relevant. Nobody is saying that there are no other factors.

Find a single paper that states that anthropogenc CO2 will not cause an increases in global temperature though.

I'm not going to delve into Cirque de Soleil's list, but somebody else might want to.

So how relevant is the sun to the current/recent climate activity, 75%? 90%? 95%??

The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past 50 years can be explained without external forcing and very likely that it is not due to known natural causes alone. During this period, the sum of solar and volcanic forcings would likely have produced cooling, not warming.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1432893299;virboard=;quot...

That is your question answered Gizmo.

Can can you answer a question and not run away?

On another thread you claimed that global glacial ice mass was "going up".

This is contrary to all published results - for example:

The average mass balance of the glaciers with available long-term observation series around the world continues to be negative, with tentative figures indicating a further thickness reduction of 0.89 metres water equivalent (m w.e.) during the hydrological year 2013.
http://www.wgms.ch/mbb/sum13.html

You really should apologise for telling lies Gizmo before you post again on here. You were caught red-handed.

If you don't agree - please prove me wrong right now and post some evidence to support your statement that global glacial ice mass is "going up".

We are waiting Gizmo

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #11 - May 30^th, 2015 at 9:12pm Have you actually read any of them? Just curious before I check some of them out. Also do you have the titles so they are easier to find?
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Reply #12 - May 30^th, 2015 at 9:33pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

John_Taverner wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Ajax wrote on May 29^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

[quote]71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Club du Soleil has compiled a listing of new papers published during 2013 demonstrating that the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2. Visit Club du Soleil for many more published in 2012 and earlier.

You idiot. Of course the sun controlled climate over geological time. That's because there were no emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

Nobody is saying that the sun is not relevant. Nobody is saying that there are no other factors.

Find a single paper that states that anthropogenc CO2 will not cause an increases in global temperature though.

I'm not going to delve into Cirque de Soleil's list, but somebody else might want to.

So how relevant is the sun to the current/recent climate activity, 75%? 90%? 95%??

The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past 50 years can be explained without external forcing and very likely that it is not due to known natural causes alone. During this period, the sum of solar and volcanic forcings would likely have produced cooling, not warming.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1432893299;virboard=;quot...

That is your question answered Gizmo.

Can can you answer a question and not run away?

On another thread you claimed that global glacial ice mass was "going up".

This is contrary to all published results - for example:

The average mass balance of the glaciers with available long-term observation series around the world continues to be negative, with tentative figures indicating a further thickness reduction of 0.89 metres water equivalent (m w.e.) during the hydrological year 2013.
http://www.wgms.ch/mbb/sum13.html

You really should apologise for telling lies Gizmo before you post again on here. You were caught red-handed.

If you don't agree - please prove me wrong right now and post some evidence to support your statement that global glacial ice mass is "going up".

We are waiting Gizmo

Well I hope you are holding your breath too.
Because I already did provide evidence that global glacial ice mass is going up.

And by the way rabbit, the question was how much of the warming during the previous warm periods, such as Minoan Warm Period, the Roman Climate Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period, was caused by the sun, and what percentage is the sun responsible for in the recent warming??

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: 71 new papers 2013, Sun controls climate not CO2 Reply #13 - May 30^th, 2015 at 10:19pm Well Batman? What do you think about Steinhilber and Beer's solar predictions for the next 500 years? Are you as concerned for the accuracy of their predictions as you are for 50 year Climate modeling? You appear to be very quiet Ajax
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Reply #14 - May 30^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 30^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Well Batman?

What do you think about Steinhilber and Beer's solar predictions for the next 500 years?

Are you as concerned for the accuracy of their predictions as you are for 50 year Climate modeling?

You appear to be very quiet Ajax

Dear Chimp,
go find a tree & start swinging around -

I'm sure you're good at it.

forgiven

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