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Reply #31 - May 26^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

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I would have thought that you already know about the medical system in Australia. Its divided into 2: public Vs private.

In the Private system, you get a referral from your GP, and then you make appointment to see the specialist of your choosing.

How many times must I say this: "I have never been referred by a GP to any specialist other than one who has a licence to print money at the patient's expence".

I have never been referred by a Bulk Billing optometrists to an ophthalmologist who doesn't have a nice little racket going in charging the ignorant and the senile a fortune when in fact it can all be done for nothing.

If you think there isn't a problem of transparency - then read the link again.

My experience is one of constantly having to say to these medico sharpies ... "but ... but ... can't you re-channel me into the public sector where I'll be paying Sweet FA in contrast to the thousands you wallet-sucking vampires want to sucker out of me?"

And then there's the inevitable shuffling of papers, the nervous cough, the pregnant pause, and the scolding tone of voice as they admit, reluctantly, that YES - there IS a cost-free way of getting your medical condition remedied .. and NO, you don't have to take out a second mortgage on your home to get the job done .. and YES, it is time aquascoot stopped smoking over-baked horse-shít .. and NO ... etc

I'm glad the whistle-blowers are finally being listened to.

To hell with the 'Asian Vote' at the next election --- it's time this deceitful bullsh*t was put a stop to.

You know what you did. You decline to reproduce the most important 2 sentences in tickleandrose's post (shame on you). They were these: I am all for more fundings to medicare, and public hospital, so that more cases like yours can be treated in a public hospital system. However, the party that you support do not share the same views. .

This actually is very typical. Mid election people like Herb spend all their time complaining that govts like the LNP are only concerned about rearranging the deck chairs to benefit the big side of town at the expense of his side of town. But come election time what does the govt do? It tacks the slogan "Stop the Boats" at the end of every one of its polices and you guessed it. Herb votes for them. Doesn't matter how much they sell him down the river. As long as he believes there is someone out there who will stop those darkies coming to this country Herb will vote for them even if it means he has to trade his liver for it. You know what Herb. F%$K you!!!!. I hope your next operation costs you a motzza.

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Reply #33 - May 27^th, 2015 at 11:50am

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My experience is one of constantly having to say to these medico sharpies ... "but ... but ... can't you re-channel me into the public sector where I'll be paying Sweet FA in contrast to the thousands you wallet-sucking vampires want to sucker out of me?"

I feel sympathetic to your plight Herbert. However, I assure you that its NOT because of Asian doctors. Its a systemic problem - that resulted from chronic under funding of Medicare, of our public hospital system over years if not decades. To put this issue simply as 'greedy Asian doctor' - is well, over simplifying things. You may feel better by thinking like that, but this is not the solution to the root of the problem.

In Melbourne, people can wait upto 2 years for an appointment to see a specialist at Royal Eye and ear hospital for catarat, and perhaps another 1 to 2 years of wait list. Most people just come up with the money and do it in the private system which is much quicker but more expensive. You will also be happy that most established doctors - mostly of European background are charging even more than the generally newer, and more younger doctors from other ethnicity.

Ultimately, at the next election, you have a choice. You can continue to put this issue down as 'greedy Asian doctor' cause, continue to vote for that and see if the problem goes away or get worse. Or, you can perhaps choose to vote for a party that supports at least on principal universal health care. Its a democracy here, you can do what ever you wish to.

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Reply #34 - May 27^th, 2015 at 12:32pm

tickleandrose wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

re Herbert

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My experience is one of constantly having to say to these medico sharpies ... "but ... but ... can't you re-channel me into the public sector where I'll be paying Sweet FA in contrast to the thousands you wallet-sucking vampires want to sucker out of me?"

I feel sympathetic to your plight Herbert. However, I assure you that its NOT because of Asian doctors. Its a systemic problem - that resulted from chronic under funding of Medicare, of our public hospital system over years if not decades. To put this issue simply as 'greedy Asian doctor' - is well, over simplifying things. You may feel better by thinking like that, but this is not the solution to the root of the problem.

In Melbourne, people can wait upto 2 years for an appointment to see a specialist at Royal Eye and ear hospital for catarat, and perhaps another 1 to 2 years of wait list. Most people just come up with the money and do it in the private system which is much quicker but more expensive. You will also be happy that most established doctors - mostly of European background are charging even more than the generally newer, and more younger doctors from other ethnicity.

Ultimately, at the next election, you have a choice. You can continue to put this issue down as 'greedy Asian doctor' cause, continue to vote for that and see if the problem goes away or get worse. Or, you can perhaps choose to vote for a party that supports at least on principal universal health care. Its a democracy here, you can do what ever you wish to.

Thank you for the kind effort you've made here ... but I'm afraid I'm once again having a Groundhog Day experience on this thread.

It's not a problem of government funding that has these specialists deliberately neglecting to inform their patients that there is an alternative to agreeing to have ones wallet vivisected and disemboweled at their private Operating Theatres.

THAT is the problem that has come to the notice of Watchdogs who monitor unethical behaviour and practices by those in the medical profession.

I would be out-of-pocket by $15,000 to a urologist by now if I had not challenged him on the matter of getting the same treatment at a public hospital. He vigorously resisted the idea of my opting for the public hospital route.

And then I asked him how long I would have to wait for the stones to be removed by him - "6 weeks" he said. It took me exactly 6 weeks to get the job done at a Sydney teaching hospital.

That it. I'm through repeating myself here to deaf ears.

In that "6 weeks" this doctor told me I would have to wait, I wonder how many suckers were on his operating table, and how much he banked at $2,500 per stone.

What a money-earner. No wonder the expensive schools in Sydney are wall-to-wall with the Chinese sons and daughters of these 'operators'.

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Reply #35 - May 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

re Herbert

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My experience is one of constantly having to say to these medico sharpies ... "but ... but ... can't you re-channel me into the public sector where I'll be paying Sweet FA in contrast to the thousands you wallet-sucking vampires want to sucker out of me?"

I feel sympathetic to your plight Herbert. However, I assure you that its NOT because of Asian doctors. Its a systemic problem - that resulted from chronic under funding of Medicare, of our public hospital system over years if not decades. To put this issue simply as 'greedy Asian doctor' - is well, over simplifying things. You may feel better by thinking like that, but this is not the solution to the root of the problem.

In Melbourne, people can wait upto 2 years for an appointment to see a specialist at Royal Eye and ear hospital for catarat, and perhaps another 1 to 2 years of wait list. Most people just come up with the money and do it in the private system which is much quicker but more expensive. You will also be happy that most established doctors - mostly of European background are charging even more than the generally newer, and more younger doctors from other ethnicity.

Ultimately, at the next election, you have a choice. You can continue to put this issue down as 'greedy Asian doctor' cause, continue to vote for that and see if the problem goes away or get worse. Or, you can perhaps choose to vote for a party that supports at least on principal universal health care. Its a democracy here, you can do what ever you wish to.

Thank you for the kind effort you've made here ... but I'm afraid I'm once again having a Groundhog Day experience on this thread.

It's not a problem of government funding that has these specialists deliberately neglecting to inform their patients that there is an alternative to agreeing to have ones wallet vivisected and disemboweled at their private Operating Theatres.

THAT is the problem that has come to the notice of Watchdogs who monitor unethical behaviour and practices by those in the medical profession.

I would be out-of-pocket by $15,000 to a urologist by now if I had not challenged him on the matter of getting the same treatment at a public hospital. He vigorously resisted the idea of my opting for the public hospital route.

And then I asked him how long I would have to wait for the stones to be removed by him - "6 weeks" he said. It took me exactly 6 weeks to get the job done at a Sydney teaching hospital.

That it. I'm through repeating myself here to deaf ears.

In that "6 weeks" this doctor told me I would have to wait, I wonder how many suckers were on his operating table, and how much he banked at $2,500 per stone.

What a money-earner. No wonder the expensive schools in Sydney are wall-to-wall with the Chinese sons and daughters of these 'operators'.

Closet poms have Chinese sons and daughters?

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Reply #36 - May 27^th, 2015 at 12:56pm

Wow .... Not sure what to make of this. I didn't think it possible but Herb is dumber than even I gave him credit for. He's complaining that a private doctor failed to promote their competitions services? Cheesy

You're a lib right Herb? you do understand that the doctors is also their to make money, and as such he's not going to provide you with 3 different quotes from his/ her competition?

If I come to quote to paint your house will I have to tell you who the cheaper painters are too? Cheesy

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Reply #37 - May 27^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Wow .... Not sure what to make of this. I didn't think it possible but Herb is dumber than even I gave him credit for. He's complaining that a private doctor failed to promote their competitions services? Cheesy

You're a lib right Herb? you do understand that the doctors is also their to make money, and as such he's not going to provide you with 3 different quotes from his/ her competition?

If I come to quote to paint your house will I have to tell you who the cheaper painters are too? Cheesy

Herbert expects his doctor to also be his bitch.

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Reply #39 - May 27^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Herbert expects his doctor to also be his bitch.

Herb is pro free market, except for when it may cost him more

Perhaps Herbert is a hypochondriac who gets off on having surgery from L-Plate medical trainees.

If Herbert sees a 'free amputations' sign limbs will be off like a shot.

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Reply #40 - May 27^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Svengali wrote on May 27^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Herbert expects his doctor to also be his bitch.

Herb is pro free market, except for when it may cost him more

Perhaps Herbert is a hypochondriac who gets off on having surgery from L-Plate medical trainees.

If Herbert sees a 'free amputations' sign limbs will be off like a shot.

The 5th limb amputation is free

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