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Is Uber the end of Taxis as we know them ?
May 11th, 2015 at 4:33pm
 
Hope so. About time technology broke this outdated monopoly !!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/put-to-the-test-taxi-v-uber/story-fni0fiyv-1227...

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ROGUE Uber drivers are ignoring airport pick-up bans and avoiding Tullamarine taxes while clogging up the one-minute parking bays there.

The illegal drivers for the popular ride-sharing service are also doing airport runs and other jobs off the books, often undercutting licensed cabs as they do so, and handing their cards to customers to make money on the side, the Sunday Herald Sun can reveal.

It comes as an Uber driver will face Melbourne Magistrates’ Court next month in a test case that could set a legal ruling to outlaw the business.

UberX users are banned on the app from setting their pick-up location as Melbourne airport with only the more expensive UberBlack chauffeur service available.

But UberX drivers have found a loophole, telling passengers to set their location outside the terminal on the app’s map, and phone the driver when they are ready.

“You just move the pin to set your location to a few minutes away as it’s blocked at the airport,’’ one driver said.

A search on Gumtree also revealed other unregulated drivers making a quick buck by advertising chauffeur services and airport transfers.

Uber drivers are avoiding the airport’s $2.70 levy that taxis are forced to pass on to passengers, bypassing cabbies stuck in a waiting yard and heading straight to the terminals for pre-booked fares.

Taxi Services Commission tsar Graeme Samuel said Uber was proving impossible to stop.

“In one sense, what Uber is demonstrating is how hard it is to stop someone using digital technology,” Mr Samuel said.

“I have empathy for those (taxi drivers) facing challenges but I just don’t think you can ban people using apps.”

In an emailed statement, Uber spokeswoman Katie Curran blamed “outdated rules’’ at Melbourne airport which favour the “incumbent industry’’. But she would not elaborate on the rules, nor would she return phone calls, requesting questions by email only.

But Melbourne airport spokeswoman Carly Dixon said the airport did not regulate Uber and had not made any rules to block its cars.

A Sunday Herald Sun investigation found a trip from Tullamarine to North Melbourne cost $21 less in a UberX compared to a taxi last week.

We did a cost and time comparison for four Melbourne journeys including airport routes. Taxis were twice the cheaper option.

Victorian Taxi Association spokeswoman Georgia Nicholls said: “All that Victorian taxi businesses seek is a level playing field. Meaningful penalties must be introduced and enforced against those who openly choose to flout the law and endanger public safety.

South Australia has banned UberX. Victoria’s Transport Minister Jacinta Allan has sought advice from the taxi regulator about the company.

Passengers use a mobile phone app to order an UberX car and drivers use their own vehicles to ferry passengers.

Passengers receive a fare estimate upon booking and no cash changes hands with the price deducted from the credit card hooked up to the account.

Unlike taxi drivers, they are not required to buy expensive “taxi plates” or pass strict knowledge tests. The Taxi Service Commission has fined 80 illegal cabbies but Uber has paid all infringements.

Backed by giants such as Google, the ride-sharing service runs in 50 countries and across 250 cities.

Uber has defended its practice and says each car is roadworthy, insured and drivers pass criminal checks.
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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2015 at 4:42pm
 
It's a great idea.

Time to sell your cab licence Aussie, while it's still worth something and join Uber.
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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2015 at 4:47pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:42pm:
It's a great idea.

Time to sell your cab licence Aussie, while it's still worth something and join Uber.


Who would be stupid enough to buy a license now ?

The cabs with all of their expensive add-on cab gear are not worth anything either because one Android tablet does the job of all of this expensive equipment Cheesy LOL
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2015 at 5:07pm
 
Uber is a 'threat' to the industry and that is quite okay by me.  All we want is that they are required to play by the same rules we (taxi owners/operators/drivers) have to play by.  For example:

1.  Driver training.
2.  Security including lost property provisions.
3.  Regular vehicle safety inspections and certifications.
4.  Be subject to random inspections at any time.
5.  Be subject to random administration audits at any time.
6.  Licencing of drivers and regulation of them, including health checks, behaviour checks, security checks, police checks and general supervision checks, including methods of dealing with customer complaints.
7.  Proper and appropriate 'plate' licencing.  That is.....like we have to, pay for the right to offer transport to the public, not assume it.
8.  Pay so that anyone a Uber driver harms through negligent driving is covered by regulated insurance.  We pay near to $7,000.00 per vehicle to get rego/insurance so that if we harm you, you are assured of compensation.
9.  Pay what we have to pay to comprehensively insure the vehicle against third party property damage...presently around $5,000.00 pa.
10.  Pay all the airport taxes we pay as a matter of course.
11.  Have a proper documented contractual arrangement with drivers.
12.  Pay to have them insured if they are injured in doing their job.....similar to work cover.
13.  Provide proper security arrangements for any customer who gets in the car.....through internal cameras, audio technology.....that also costs money.
14.  Ensure there is no ad hoc 'spike demand' cost increase for use if there is some unusual event, as Uber did when that Lindt Cafe incident occurred.  Taxis do not increase rates if it is flooding, cyclonic, earth quacking, burning or whatever.  We are out there.

Do all that.....not a problem.  Nothing wrong with competition, provided we are all
singing from the same prayer book.


Bring fair competition on and that's fine by me and everyone else in the industry.

But, it is my expectation that Governments will take action against anyone, including Uber, which is acting outside the law.  That is what happens in Queensland and it is costing Uber money  big time.  I'm sure Google (who 'owns' Uber) has plenty of money, but it ain't a bottomless pit.

If everyone plays fair, let the better service prevail.
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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2015 at 5:15pm
 
I also need to add that Uber is loving the free publicity the dumbass schmedia give it.  These schmedia articles come up because some cub reporter needs an easy story, and off they go for one edition of tomorrow's fish 'n chip wrapping.  Up here, the industry has decided that we ought not respond any more ~ publicly, as that just gives them the free publicity they want and the pay packet justification for the said cub reporter.

The industry is working with Government to get this sorted.....not the schmedia.
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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2015 at 5:18pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I also need to add that Uber is loving the free publicity the dumbass schmedia give it.  These schmedia articles come up because some cub reporter needs an easy story, and off they go for one edition of tomorrow's fish 'n chip wrapping.  Up here, the industry has decided that we ought not respond any more ~ publicly, as that just gives them the free publicity they want and the pay packet justification for the said cub reporter.

The industry is working with Government to get this sorted.....not the schmedia.



hilarious.. once again its all someone elses fault... we know...I have yet to have a taxi driver arrive on time.. that would be a novelty..
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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2015 at 5:20pm
 
cods wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:18pm:
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I also need to add that Uber is loving the free publicity the dumbass schmedia give it.  These schmedia articles come up because some cub reporter needs an easy story, and off they go for one edition of tomorrow's fish 'n chip wrapping.  Up here, the industry has decided that we ought not respond any more ~ publicly, as that just gives them the free publicity they want and the pay packet justification for the said cub reporter.

The industry is working with Government to get this sorted.....not the schmedia.



hilarious.. once again its all someone elses fault... we know...I have yet to have a taxi driver arrive on time.. that would be a novelty..


No doubt about you cods.  You have a deep and solid understanding of the issue beyond your own personal requirements.  When was the last time you rang for a cab, and it did not turn up within ten minutes?
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Re: Is Uber the end of Taxis as we know them
Reply #7 - May 11th, 2015 at 5:28pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Uber is a 'threat' to the industry and that is quite okay by me.  All we want is that they are required to play by the same rules we (taxi owners/operators/drivers) have to play by.  For example:

1.  Driver training.
2.  Security including lost property provisions.
3.  Regular vehicle safety inspections and certifications.
4.  Be subject to random inspections at any time.
5.  Be subject to random administration audits at any time.
6.  Licencing of drivers and regulation of them, including health checks, behaviour checks, security checks, police checks and general supervision checks, including methods of dealing with customer complaints.
7.  Proper and appropriate 'plate' licencing.  That is.....like we have to, pay for the right to offer transport to the public, not assume it.
8.  Pay so that anyone a Uber driver harms through negligent driving is covered by regulated insurance.  We pay near to $7,000.00 per vehicle to get rego/insurance so that if we harm you, you are assured of compensation.
9.  Pay what we have to pay to comprehensively insure the vehicle against third party property damage...presently around $5,000.00 pa.
10.  Pay all the airport taxes we pay as a matter of course.
11.  Have a proper documented contractual arrangement with drivers.
12.  Pay to have them insured if they are injured in doing their job.....similar to work cover.
13.  Provide proper security arrangements for any customer who gets in the car.....through internal cameras, audio technology.....that also costs money.
14.  Ensure there is no ad hoc 'spike demand' cost increase for use if there is some unusual event, as Uber did when that Lindt Cafe incident occurred.  Taxis do not increase rates if it is flooding, cyclonic, earth quacking, burning or whatever.  We are out there.

Do all that.....not a problem.  Nothing wrong with competition, provided we are all
singing from the same prayer book.


Bring fair competition on and that's fine by me and everyone else in the industry.

But, it is my expectation that Governments will take action against anyone, including Uber, which is acting outside the law.  That is what happens in Queensland and it is costing Uber money  big time.  I'm sure Google (who 'owns' Uber) has plenty of money, but it ain't a bottomless pit.

If everyone plays fair, let the better service prevail.


You mean play by your rules ?

As for a level playing how about a rail link from Melbourne airport to the city ? I believe this taxi monopoly is one of the reasons why after 40 years we still do not have a rail link to the airport and I don't believe that is a level playing field Sad
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Reply #8 - May 11th, 2015 at 5:31pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I also need to add that Uber is loving the free publicity the dumbass schmedia give it.  These schmedia articles come up because some cub reporter needs an easy story, and off they go for one edition of tomorrow's fish 'n chip wrapping.  Up here, the industry has decided that we ought not respond any more ~ publicly, as that just gives them the free publicity they want and the pay packet justification for the said cub reporter.

The industry is working with Government to get this sorted.....not the schmedia.


That's nonsense because the Uber service is real and is being used by people right at this very moment. No need for "schmedia" to prop it up.

The whole Uber business has been currently valued at 70 billion AUD !! It's a force to be reckoned with !!
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Sir lastnail wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I also need to add that Uber is loving the free publicity the dumbass schmedia give it.  These schmedia articles come up because some cub reporter needs an easy story, and off they go for one edition of tomorrow's fish 'n chip wrapping.  Up here, the industry has decided that we ought not respond any more ~ publicly, as that just gives them the free publicity they want and the pay packet justification for the said cub reporter.

The industry is working with Government to get this sorted.....not the schmedia.


That's nonsense because the Uber service is real and is being used by people right at this very moment. No need for "schmedia" to prop it up.

The whole Uber business has been currently valued at 70 billion AUD !! It's a force to be reckoned with !!


Your valuation is incorrect, and it is certainly not valued at anything like that in Australia.

And, no....not my Rules at all.  Those items I listed are the  Rules of Government we have to operate under.
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Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
1.  Driver training.
2.  Security including lost property provisions.
3.  Regular vehicle safety inspections and certifications.
4.  Be subject to random inspections at any time.
5.  Be subject to random administration audits at any time.
6.  Licencing of drivers and regulation of them, including health checks, behaviour checks, security checks, police checks and general supervision checks, including methods of dealing with customer complaints.
7.  Proper and appropriate 'plate' licencing.  That is.....like we have to, pay for the right to offer transport to the public, not assume it.
8.  Pay so that anyone a Uber driver harms through negligent driving is covered by regulated insurance.  We pay near to $7,000.00 per vehicle to get rego/insurance so that if we harm you, you are assured of compensation.
9.  Pay what we have to pay to comprehensively insure the vehicle against third party property damage...presently around $5,000.00 pa.
10.  Pay all the airport taxes we pay as a matter of course.
11.  Have a proper documented contractual arrangement with drivers.
12.  Pay to have them insured if they are injured in doing their job.....similar to work cover.
13.  Provide proper security arrangements for any customer who gets in the car.....through internal cameras, audio technology.....that also costs money.
14.  Ensure there is no ad hoc 'spike demand' cost increase for use if there is some unusual event, as Uber did when that Lindt Cafe incident occurred.  Taxis do not increase rates if it is flooding, cyclonic, earth quacking, burning or whatever.  We are out there.

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This is what is so wrong with the world today, too much government regulation, as a business owner your first priority should be to get the idiot government the hell out of your life but obviously you just like taking it up the arse from them.

What you have posted is a list of government kickbacks that the government mafia has awarded themselves, a bunch of red tape designed to tie you up in knots while enriching the useless.

Hopefully Uber cuts the government out of the picture altogether but its a tough job, the government are a pack of fascist arsehole mafia types that like to threaten business in order to get protection money and kick backs.

Thankfully the internet is breaking down their mafia monopoly and giving back the power to the people.
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Reply #11 - May 11th, 2015 at 6:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:31pm:
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:15pm:
I also need to add that Uber is loving the free publicity the dumbass schmedia give it.  These schmedia articles come up because some cub reporter needs an easy story, and off they go for one edition of tomorrow's fish 'n chip wrapping.  Up here, the industry has decided that we ought not respond any more ~ publicly, as that just gives them the free publicity they want and the pay packet justification for the said cub reporter.

The industry is working with Government to get this sorted.....not the schmedia.


That's nonsense because the Uber service is real and is being used by people right at this very moment. No need for "schmedia" to prop it up.

The whole Uber business has been currently valued at 70 billion AUD !! It's a force to be reckoned with !!


Your valuation is incorrect, and it is certainly not valued at anything like that in Australia.

And, no....not my Rules at all.  Those items I listed are the  Rules of Government we have to operate under.


It's a world wide valuation !!

Yes and those are the rules that a traditional taxi service has to work under. They never envisioned a service like Uber when they made those rules Wink
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Reply #12 - May 11th, 2015 at 7:03pm
 
Those are the Rules.  Uber operates outside them....and they are operating illegally.

They have been ordered to cease and desist in Queensland and it is costing them plenty each week for their illegal operations.
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Reply #13 - May 11th, 2015 at 7:21pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Uber is a 'threat' to the industry and that is quite okay by me.  All we want is that they are required to play by the same rules we (taxi owners/operators/drivers) have to play by.  For example:

1.  Driver training.
2.  Security including lost property provisions.
3.  Regular vehicle safety inspections and certifications.
4.  Be subject to random inspections at any time.
5.  Be subject to random administration audits at any time.
6.  Licencing of drivers and regulation of them, including health checks, behaviour checks, security checks, police checks and general supervision checks, including methods of dealing with customer complaints.
7.  Proper and appropriate 'plate' licencing.  That is.....like we have to, pay for the right to offer transport to the public, not assume it.
8.  Pay so that anyone a Uber driver harms through negligent driving is covered by regulated insurance.  We pay near to $7,000.00 per vehicle to get rego/insurance so that if we harm you, you are assured of compensation.
9.  Pay what we have to pay to comprehensively insure the vehicle against third party property damage...presently around $5,000.00 pa.
10.  Pay all the airport taxes we pay as a matter of course.
11.  Have a proper documented contractual arrangement with drivers.
12.  Pay to have them insured if they are injured in doing their job.....similar to work cover.
13.  Provide proper security arrangements for any customer who gets in the car.....through internal cameras, audio technology.....that also costs money.
14.  Ensure there is no ad hoc 'spike demand' cost increase for use if there is some unusual event, as Uber did when that Lindt Cafe incident occurred.  Taxis do not increase rates if it is flooding, cyclonic, earth quacking, burning or whatever.  We are out there.

Do all that.....not a problem.  Nothing wrong with competition, provided we are all
singing from the same prayer book.


Bring fair competition on and that's fine by me and everyone else in the industry.

But, it is my expectation that Governments will take action against anyone, including Uber, which is acting outside the law.  That is what happens in Queensland and it is costing Uber money  big time.  I'm sure Google (who 'owns' Uber) has plenty of money, but it ain't a bottomless pit.

If everyone plays fair, let the better service prevail.


Are there any contingency plans for "stuff ups", or it's back to the legal profession for you my man.......

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Get the old prayer mat out Aussie........
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Reply #14 - May 11th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 7:03pm:
Those are the Rules.  Uber operates outside them....and they are operating illegally.

They have been ordered to cease and desist in Queensland and it is costing them plenty each week for their illegal operations.



Government mafia rules designed to relieve the government mafia parasite scum from ever having to get a real job thats all, as a business owner I can't believe that you would defend them, no respectable business owner would be thankful about massive red tape and regulation thats sole purpose is to provide jobs to useless bludging scum and parasites.
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