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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #315 - May 25^th, 2015 at 1:01pm

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:32pm:

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 9:12pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 23^rd, 2015 at 3:25pm:

What about the actual crux of radiative forcing? Don't you want to talk about how that tiny proportion of CO2 affects Long wave Infrared back scatter or stuff like that?

What are the thoughts of the Wise Sir Soren?

Yeah, what about it?

Why don't you explain how 0.0192% of the atmospheric CO2 rules over the entire climate system?

You seem to be confident about knowing how that works. Why don't you tell us.

Go on.

Balance buddy: CO2 comes in and out of the water everyday yet it is the water vapour that is in cycle and it is the CO2 that is being mechanically injected into the system falsely creating more water vapour than would naturally occur for the given prevailing conditions.

We all know the science is accepted and you are just playing pause button politics to maximise retooling time.... the kids know about the concepts of the diminishing returns of jevons paradox which won't pass your lips ever because you're a complete joke unable to handle facts !!!!!

Balance: yeh, that's the one the crack smokers never learn until the big guys walk in Grin

(oh wait that's why all the crack smokers sit around in daddys spare rental for all those boring decades Roll Eyes

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Tell me more about how 0.0192% of the atmosphere is the crucial thing in the balance of all the things that make up the climate; specifically, how much extra water vapour does the human CoE that comprises 0.0192% of the atmopheric gases create?

No: do your own homework!

Cheesy

I have done my homework and said that it is ridiculous to blame 0.0192% of atmospheric gases (the amount of human CO2 in the atmosphere) for climate change.

If you are ridiculous enough to still maintain that that tiny proportion of only one of the climate factors is responsible for climate change then you'd better explain it.

Dood, your numbers !! Wink

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #316 - May 25^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

As Tannen suggests in this inarguably excellent book, amass enough of those trusting, open-minded individuals, and what you’ve got is a new cultural force. But in the meantime, I suspect many will cling to a proverb once uttered by that old Zen master Ronald Reagan:

Trust but verify

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http://www.ew.com/article/1998/03/13/argument-culture

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #317 - May 25^th, 2015 at 1:16pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

What is the source of the data?

http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/antarctic-ice-sheet-surfac...

Last updated 4/2/15 which depends on dd/mm/yy or mm/dd/yy.

BTW did you know ICEsat is currently using some of GRACE's functionality?

I understand the Canadian isostatic rebound because the Laurentide melted millenia ago. I'm not sure that the pressure on the earth's crust from 26.5m cu km's would allow much, if any, rebound.

Perhaps that is why the GRACE page concluded -

' Plus, if you happen to be looking at a region where the model is close to zero because it is a transition region from large positive values to large negative values, then +/-20% of near-zero values is likely to underestimate the uncertainty'

So many ambiguities.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #318 - May 25^th, 2015 at 1:51pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

What is the source of the data?

http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/antarctic-ice-sheet-surfac...

Last updated 4/2/15 which depends on dd/mm/yy or mm/dd/yy.

BTW did you know ICEsat is currently using some of GRACE's functionality?

I understand the Canadian isostatic rebound because the Laurentide melted millenia ago. I'm not sure that the pressure on the earth's crust from 26.5m cu km's would allow much, if any, rebound.

Perhaps that is why the GRACE page concluded -

' Plus, if you happen to be looking at a region where the model is close to zero because it is a transition region from large positive values to large negative values, then +/-20% of near-zero values is likely to underestimate the uncertainty'

So many ambiguities.

Science is all probability: nothing new there buddy Cheesy

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #320 - May 25^th, 2015 at 2:32pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

So: you have NO idea then Grin

i know Tony Abbott and the fascist liberal voters got caught trying to sell out the University of Western Australias global reputation to a (!global) political activist who wants to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 and you can't pretend he didn't!

That's what I know buddy so bring it on fellla Wink

Tony Abbott and the liberal voters of Australia got publicly laughed at by the toffs themselves and told very publicly that this state of WA floats the nation so why don't you eat that one in question time until the election Cheesy

And so what is UWA's 'global reputation'?? A hot bed of deluded AGW alarmists?..If so 'selling out' their rep could only be a GOOD thing (it might introduce some balance to the debate on Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the hell it's called this week).

And the actual 'effective' difference between 2 degrees C and 3 degrees C would be basically ZERO, for humans, and every other type of life on Earth.

Lomborg is probably much closer to accurate than the IPCC, Flannery, Gore, Mann and the rest of the catastrophic climate change believers will EVER be.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #321 - May 25^th, 2015 at 2:47pm

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

What is the source of the data?

http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/antarctic-ice-sheet-surfac...

Last updated 4/2/15 which depends on dd/mm/yy or mm/dd/yy.

BTW did you know ICEsat is currently using some of GRACE's functionality?

I understand the Canadian isostatic rebound because the Laurentide melted millenia ago. I'm not sure that the pressure on the earth's crust from 26.5m cu km's would allow much, if any, rebound.

Perhaps that is why the GRACE page concluded -

' Plus, if you happen to be looking at a region where the model is close to zero because it is a transition region from large positive values to large negative values, then +/-20% of near-zero values is likely to underestimate the uncertainty'

So many ambiguities.

What do you understand by the term "GIA data" in my previous post?

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BTW did you know ICEsat is currently using some of GRACE's functionality?

current as in 2015? Explain what you mean.

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #323 - May 25^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

So: you have NO idea then Grin

i know Tony Abbott and the fascist liberal voters got caught trying to sell out the University of Western Australias global reputation to a (!global) political activist who wants to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 and you can't pretend he didn't!

That's what I know buddy so bring it on fellla Wink

Tony Abbott and the liberal voters of Australia got publicly laughed at by the toffs themselves and told very publicly that this state of WA floats the nation so why don't you eat that one in question time until the election Cheesy

And so what is UWA's 'global reputation'?? A hot bed of deluded AGW alarmists?..If so 'selling out' their rep could only be a GOOD thing (it might introduce some balance to the debate on Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the hell it's called this week).

And the actual 'effective' difference between 2 degrees C and 3 degrees C would be basically ZERO, for humans, and every other type of life on Earth.

Lomborg is probably much closer to accurate than the IPCC, Flannery, Gore, Mann and the rest of the catastrophic climate change believers will EVER be.

bro, light up the crack pipe again and get really bored why don't ya

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #324 - May 25^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:47pm:

current as in 2015? Explain what you mean.

'Precision Orbit Determination (POD) improvements include updated GPS orbit solutions, reference frame, ground stations, and observational and dynamic and modeling, including the GRACE-derived GGM03C gravity model. See CSR SCF Release Notes for Orbit and Attitude Determination V3 for details.'

http://nsidc.org/data/icesat/data_releases.html

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #326 - May 25^th, 2015 at 3:19pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

So: you have NO idea then Grin

i know Tony Abbott and the fascist liberal voters got caught trying to sell out the University of Western Australias global reputation to a (!global) political activist who wants to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 and you can't pretend he didn't!

That's what I know buddy so bring it on fellla Wink

Tony Abbott and the liberal voters of Australia got publicly laughed at by the toffs themselves and told very publicly that this state of WA floats the nation so why don't you eat that one in question time until the election Cheesy

And so what is UWA's 'global reputation'?? A hot bed of deluded AGW alarmists?..If so 'selling out' their rep could only be a GOOD thing (it might introduce some balance to the debate on Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the hell it's called this week).

And the actual 'effective' difference between 2 degrees C and 3 degrees C would be basically ZERO, for humans, and every other type of life on Earth.

Lomborg is probably much closer to accurate than the IPCC, Flannery, Gore, Mann and the rest of the catastrophic climate change believers will EVER be.

bro, light up the crack pipe again and get really bored why don't ya

I'll leave that to you...an 'increase' of 6 degrees C..'MIGHT' be harmful to humans (and other life on Earth) but that's way more than even the real worst case scenarios. 2 degrees or even 3 degrees would only take the planet back to close to the temperatures that humans evolved in. Which is also what modern plants and animals also developed in.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #327 - May 25^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 10:56pm:

So: you have NO idea then Grin

i know Tony Abbott and the fascist liberal voters got caught trying to sell out the University of Western Australias global reputation to a (!global) political activist who wants to argue that fossil fuels should be allowed to warm our kids earth by 3 degrees instead of 2 and you can't pretend he didn't!

That's what I know buddy so bring it on fellla Wink

Tony Abbott and the liberal voters of Australia got publicly laughed at by the toffs themselves and told very publicly that this state of WA floats the nation so why don't you eat that one in question time until the election Cheesy

And so what is UWA's 'global reputation'?? A hot bed of deluded AGW alarmists?..If so 'selling out' their rep could only be a GOOD thing (it might introduce some balance to the debate on Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the hell it's called this week).

And the actual 'effective' difference between 2 degrees C and 3 degrees C would be basically ZERO, for humans, and every other type of life on Earth.

Lomborg is probably much closer to accurate than the IPCC, Flannery, Gore, Mann and the rest of the catastrophic climate change believers will EVER be.

bro, light up the crack pipe again and get really bored why don't ya

I'll leave that to you...an 'increase' of 6 degrees C..'MIGHT' be harmful to humans (and other life on Earth) but that's way more than even the real worst case scenarios. 2 degrees or even 3 degrees would only take the planet back to close to the temperatures that humans evolved in. Which is also what modern plants and animals also developed in.

dood, are you stoned on boring meth?? You're a tripper fella seriously... that shite is so boring: GET OFF IT NOW Grin

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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #328 - May 25^th, 2015 at 3:37pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 3:26pm: