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Reply #270 - May 23rd, 2015 at 10:11am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
so you want every month predicted by long term modelling?


Settle down chimp, they can't predict next month let alone 100 years from now. like I said when observations don't match predictions..........!!!!!!!!!

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Are you disputing that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are rising due to human activities such as fossil fuel combustion and de forestation?


No not at all, but the natural CO2 cycle far out weighs anything humans have been doing....!!!!!!

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Are you disputing that CO2 is a Greenhouse?


No CO2 is a greenhouse gas and is a trace gas here on Earth, do you know what trace means.....??????

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Are you disputing that the earth has warmed over the past century - and in particular over the past 5 or 6 decades?


No not at all, the evidence is there to be seen by all.

What I'm disputing is that the warming was all due to Anthropogenic activities, sure they contribute but in the overall scheme of things are minor and play no part in heating or cooling of the Earth.


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Reply #271 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:30am
 
Like jt- not important.

Any rebuttal on the Grace sat error bars?
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Reply #272 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:38am
 
John_Taverner wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 9:03pm:
Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 8:55pm:
Well, you are not one of those gormless fatheads who pretend to understand it all, are you?

Or are you?



Well I'm not as pretentious as some.


Do you rate yourself in 3rd, 4th or 5th position ?

All would have some more pretentious.
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Reply #273 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:42am
 
Soren wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 9:45pm:


But here are the baby steps:
Total CO2 in atmosphere = 400 parts per million = 0.04%
Proportion of total CO2 to emissions (550 Gt) that is human emission (26.4 Gt) = 4.8% of all CO2 in atmosphere.
Human CO2 in atmosphere as proportion of all atmospheric gases = 4.8% of 0.040% = 0.00192%


Considering that nobody actually understands how the climate works (other than it is not exclusively controlled by atmospheric gases) it is really laughable to make such a huge deal out of 0.00192% of atmospheric gases. Juts ridiculous.




We need to get Longy on the assignment to confirm the Math if  he can get past his bias.  If it is really this simple then I wonder why a few thousand scientists disagree with you.
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Reply #274 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:43am
 
lee wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:30am:
Like jt- not important.

Any rebuttal on the Grace sat error bars?


Explain what you mean. You are the one trying to put a case against the bulk of scientific knowledge. The ball is in your court - and no cutting and pasting. I'll be watching.
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Reply #275 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:42am:
We need to get Longy on the assignment to confirm the Math if  he can get past his bias.  If it is really this simple then I wonder why a few thousand scientists disagree with you.


Yes, I can imagine Longy in his black teachers robes smudged with chalk, bending over Soren saying - You have to show your workings or you won't get any marks.
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Reply #276 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:46am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:42am:
Soren wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 9:45pm:


But here are the baby steps:
Total CO2 in atmosphere = 400 parts per million = 0.04%
Proportion of total CO2 to emissions (550 Gt) that is human emission (26.4 Gt) = 4.8% of all CO2 in atmosphere.
Human CO2 in atmosphere as proportion of all atmospheric gases = 4.8% of 0.040% = 0.00192%


Considering that nobody actually understands how the climate works (other than it is not exclusively controlled by atmospheric gases) it is really laughable to make such a huge deal out of 0.00192% of atmospheric gases. Juts ridiculous.




We need to get Longy on the assignment to confirm the Math if  he can get past his bias. 
If it is really this simple then I wonder why a few thousand scientists disagree with you.



You mean all 73 scientists from the consensus.....!!!!!!

Suppose to be thousands yet turns out to be only 73, these alarmists if AGW was real there would be no need to lie distort and hide past warm periods.
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #277 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:48am
 
Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:38am:
John_Taverner wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 9:03pm:
Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 8:55pm:
Well, you are not one of those gormless fatheads who pretend to understand it all, are you?

Or are you?



Well I'm not as pretentious as some.


Do you rate yourself in 3rd, 4th or 5th position ?

All would have some more pretentious.


Somewhere between 52nd and 48th position. It's hard to pin it down.
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #278 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:49am
 
John_Taverner wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:43am:
lee wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:30am:
Like jt- not important.

Any rebuttal on the Grace sat error bars?


Explain what you mean. You are the one trying to put a case against the
bulk of scientific knowledge
. The ball is in your court - and no cutting and pasting. I'll be watching.


Are you referring to that consensus of thousands that turned out to be 73 scientists in the end..?
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #279 - May 23rd, 2015 at 11:52am
 
lee wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:30am:
Like jt- not important.

Any rebuttal on the Grace sat error bars?


Ke....???

What are we disputing.....????

Quote:
Guest post by Thomas Fuller

It is hard to understand many of those who are convinced that climate change will destroy civilization. Previous ideas about massive sea level rise or tipping points leading to unending temperature increases have been debunked. Conventional theory on climate change points to moderate temperature and sea level rises that can be dealt with using existing technology, although the sooner we start the easier it will be.

But for some, the need to believe (and to preach) about a coming catastrophe is so strong that they are willing to overturn their own theories to take temporary advantage of ephemeral observations that will support their apocalyptic vision of the future.

The Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment has been an operational satellite mission since 2002, measuring differences in the Earth’s gravity. Pictures of our planet using GRACE look more like a partially deflated soccer ball than the pristine globe we’re more accustomed to seeing.

And according to some scientists working with GRACE measurements, Antarctica is losing ice. Not just the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet, which has been predicted to melt and succumb to mechanical pressure since the 1930s, but also the vastly larger ice sheet covering East Antarctica.

And sure enough, the ‘apocaholics’ are all over this, using it to reinforce their unrelenting drumbeat of doom-laden predictions of disastrous sea level rises.
But this is actually quite strange. According to climate change theory, ice should be increasing in Antarctica–the (very slight) increase in temperatures and the natural increase in precipitation should result in more snow over Antarctica which gets compressed into higher levels of ice. The same phenomenon is both predicted and observed in Greenland, by the way.

Instead of using this as proof of global warming, these people should be either wondering about the measurements or re-examining their theories. Because this is observed data working against the principles of their theory… But they cannot pass up the chance for a quick and easy headline that reinforces the ‘all disaster, only disaster, 24 hours a day’ routine.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/06/grace-under-fire/



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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #280 - May 23rd, 2015 at 12:48pm
 
Ajax wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 10:11am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
so you want every month predicted by long term modelling?


Settle down chimp, they can't predict next month let alone 100 years from now. like I said when observations don't match predictions..........!!!!!!!!!

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chimp wrote:
Are you disputing that CO2 levels in the atmosphere are rising due to human activities such as fossil fuel combustion and de forestation?


No not at all, but the natural CO2 cycle far out weighs anything humans have been doing....!!!!!!

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chimp wrote;
Are you disputing that CO2 is a Greenhouse?


No CO2 is a greenhouse gas and is a trace gas here on Earth, do you know what trace means.....??????

Quote:
chimp wrote:
Are you disputing that the earth has warmed over the past century - and in particular over the past 5 or 6 decades?


No not at all, the evidence is there to be seen by all.

What I'm disputing is that the warming was all due to Anthropogenic activities, sure they contribute but in the overall scheme of things are minor and play no part in heating or cooling of the Earth.



water is in a cycle: additional CO2 is being mechanically injected into the system increasing water vapour.. why can't AJAX admit this if he is such a genius?
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Re: Abbott and Liberal Party were correct. AGW BS
Reply #281 - May 23rd, 2015 at 12:54pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 12:48pm:
water is in a cycle: additional CO2 is being mechanically injected into the system increasing water vapour.. why can't AJAX admit this if he is such a genius?


Hi there my K9 friend,

Its really not your fault that God blessed you with a pea brain.

So as Soren says in baby steps for you pea brains.

Soren wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 9:45pm:
Already did, guber. Now made it red for ya so you can see it.

But here are the baby steps:
Total CO2 in atmosphere = 400 parts per million = 0.04%
Proportion of total CO2 to emissions (550 Gt) that is human emission (26.4 Gt) = 4.8% of all CO2 in atmosphere.
Human CO2 in atmosphere as proportion of all atmospheric gases = 4.8% of 0.040% = 0.00192%


Considering that nobody actually understands how the climate works (other than it is not exclusively controlled by atmospheric gases) it is really laughable to make such a huge deal out of 0.00192% of atmospheric gases. Juts ridiculous.


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Reply #282 - May 23rd, 2015 at 2:48pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 11:42am:
Soren wrote on May 21st, 2015 at 9:45pm:


But here are the baby steps:
Total CO2 in atmosphere = 400 parts per million = 0.04%
Proportion of total CO2 to emissions (550 Gt) that is human emission (26.4 Gt) = 4.8% of all CO2 in atmosphere.
Human CO2 in atmosphere as proportion of all atmospheric gases = 4.8% of 0.040% = 0.00192%


Considering that nobody actually understands how the climate works (other than it is not exclusively controlled by atmospheric gases) it is really laughable to make such a huge deal out of 0.00192% of atmospheric gases. Juts ridiculous.




We need to get Longy on the assignment to confirm the Math if  he can get past his bias.  If it is really this simple then I wonder why a few thousand scientists disagree with you.



These are the figures.

Thousands of scientists agree with these numbers - all scientists do - because the maths is really simple.

The interpretation of the numbers - for example, that 0.00192% of atmospheric gases (the human contribution to atmospheric Co2, itself only 0.040% of the atmosphere - to be the driver of the change of a complex system (climate) that is made up of many other elements besides the atmosphere and the complexity and workings of which system is not understood by anybody, well, that interpretation is not shared by scientists, only by ideologues and activists.

The most a scientists would say that is that human human CO2 'contributes'to climate change. But that contribution is vanishingly small and in no way justifies the wild claims activists attribute to scientists.
AGW is a political claim, not a scientific one. The maths simply does not support the political and economic claims and schemes.


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Reply #283 - May 23rd, 2015 at 3:25pm
 
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But here are the baby steps:
Total CO2 in atmosphere = 400 parts per million = 0.04%
Proportion of total CO2 to emissions (550 Gt) that is human emission (26.4 Gt) = 4.8% of all CO2 in atmosphere.
Human CO2 in atmosphere as proportion of all atmospheric gases = 4.8% of 0.040% = 0.00192%


Considering that nobody actually understands how the climate works (other than it is not exclusively controlled by atmospheric gases) it is really laughable to make such a huge deal out of 0.00192% of atmospheric gases. Juts ridiculous.





These are the figures.

Thousands of scientists agree with these numbers - all scientists do - because the maths is really simple.

The interpretation of the numbers - for example, that 0.00192% of atmospheric gases (the human contribution to atmospheric Co2, itself only 0.040% of the atmosphere - to be the driver of the change of a complex system (climate) that is made up of many other elements besides the atmosphere and the complexity and workings of which system is not understood by anybody, well, that interpretation is not shared by scientists, only by ideologues and activists.

The most a scientists would say that is that human human CO2 'contributes'to climate change. But that contribution is vanishingly small and in no way justifies the wild claims activists attribute to scientists.
AGW is a political claim, not a scientific one. The maths simply does not support the political and economic claims and schemes.



So your argument hasn't changed? "It's er tiny so it can't do any damage."

Girls have gotten into big trouble for assumptions like that.


What about the actual crux of radiative forcing?  Don't you want to talk about how that tiny proportion of CO2 affects Long wave Infrared back scatter or stuff like that? 

What are the thoughts of the Wise Sir Soren?
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Reply #284 - May 23rd, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on May 23rd, 2015 at 3:25pm:
What about the actual crux of radiative forcing?  Don't you want to talk about how that tiny proportion of CO2 affects Long wave Infrared back scatter or stuff like that? 

What are the thoughts of the Wise Sir Soren?



Yeah, what about it?


Why don't you explain how 0.0192% of the atmospheric CO2 rules over the entire climate system?

You seem to be confident about knowing how that works. Why don't you tell us.

Go on.






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