gandalf wrote Reply #734 - Yesterday at 8:28pm
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Not exactly bogus Gandalf, but most definitely the claims of exhumation appear to be overstated.

I read your three links and have extracts from each one E.G.:


Mrs Ahmad says the family chose Mr Khan's grave after requesting a Muslim burial plot from the local council three years before he was buried in October.

They were then shocked to discover, during a visit to his graveyard last month, that a new grave next to his was being created for Mr Smith.

Mrs Ahmad said: "We were unaware someone not of the Muslim faith could also be buried there because of what they had said. "

The family then alerted the council to the conversation from 2011, in which [b]they apparently allocated the area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.

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So the muslims were shocked to discover that an unbeliever was to be buried complained to the council to take action.
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They were shocked to learn during a visit to his grave last month that a new grave next to his was being created for Roman Catholic Shadrack Smith, 89.

They alerted the council to the conversation from 2011 in which they apparently allocated that area as a Muslim burial place and asked them to take action prior to Mr Smith's funeral.

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Again the muslims complain that a non muslim is going to be buried and asked the council to take action.
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In other words: a Muslim family were told they’d been reserved a certain space in the graveyard, large enough to ensure non-Muslims weren’t buried right next to their dead relative, only for part of this to be given – seemingly in error – to Shadrack Smith’s family. When they complained, the council asked his relatives at short notice if they could still move to a different site, and the other was no.

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Same deal the muslims complained about a non believer being buried.
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So it appears to me Gandalf that muslims are the ones complaining and wanting special priviliges / segregation in a cemetry.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:


Yes, Islamic State fighters are low-life scum.

We all know that.

Do you have a point?

moses wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:


My you are desparate moses.

I'll remind you of the original heading you used:

UK: Muslims demand non-Muslim buried next to Muslim be exhumed

And here is the bit that you apparently think is relevant to this bogus headline:

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So here's the story - the whole story: 4 years ago a muslim died, and in the process of burying their loved one, the muslim family was granted by the council, a special plot of land for muslim burials. Then in January of this year, this Roma guy died, and the council mistakenly allocated a plot for his burial that happened to be right on the plot previously guaranteed for the muslims. As you quote, the muslims asked the council to take action prior to the funeral, and the council asked the Roma family if they could change the site - which the family said no. That seems to be the end of the matter - and *ALL* these negotiations occurred *PRIOR* to the burial - in which case the claim that "Muslims demand non-Muslim buried next to Muslim be exhumed" - is total and utter horseshit - since to demand someone be exhumed, they have to be buried in the first place - but of course the only request the muslims made was *BEFORE* they were buried.

moses wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:


After being promised by the council that it was a muslim reserved plot - thats a fact.

In my local cemetery, its divided into segregated religious zones - catholic, protestant, jews. Muslim graves have a special requirement to face Mecca - so it makes sense for them to need a dedicated area in the cemetery to ensure all graves are aligned properly in the right direction.

Just out of curiosity moses, would you mind you or someone from your family being buried next to muslims?

Muslims believe its important to be buried facing Mecca. The plot was reserved for them to ensure all graves there could be aligned the right way. Its got nothing to do with an aversion to being buried next to non-muslims. In this case, these muslims felt short-shifted because they had previously negotiated with the council to keep that particular plot reserved for them - and suddenly a non-muslim corpse gets put in there. The council acknowledged the mistake and asked the non-muslim family if they could possible have him buried somewhere else - they said no, and that was the end of the matter.

moses wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:50am:


The council acknowledged their mistake by asking the Gypsies to move somewhere else. But since arrangements had already been made by the Gypsies they refused - what else could they do? It wasn't the muslims fault and it wasn't the Gypsies fault - both were victim of a council screw up.

Every single report on the story acknowledges the council had granted the plot to the muslims - and that granting a grave in that plot to the Gypsies was a mistake. What exactly are you trying to argue moses? Are you really that desparate to smear muslims?

moses wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:


Every news article on the story says the exact opposite: the council allocated a muslim-only plot in 2011, then mistakenly assigned a non-muslim to the plot early last year - a mistake the council acknowledged but were powerless to do anything about. All explained in the reports. There is no shred of evidence for your version of events.