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Reply #660 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:33pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us? Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.

But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us. I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language. The honour is all yours, mate. You knew it, was it because you do it? Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are. You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal. You fap, I call you a fapper. Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.

What? Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia? Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon? Good. I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia. Roll Eyes

You are kidding yourself, fapper.

You are standing up to nothing. All you are doing is preening in public, pretending to be oh-so morally upright and conscientious.

You are a fraud, an idiot, a poseur. And a fapper.

You have never presented a coherent argument in your life. All you EVER do is label others as racists, Islamophobes. All you ever do is throw labels around like a mad woman throwing around her underwear. Stupid, tired, shopworn namecalling is all you have, Brain.

You appear to be projecting, Soren. Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #661 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:35pm Actually soren was spot on about you.
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Reply #662 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:38pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.

No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

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Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud?? Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?

In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

Separation of state and Church, innit.

Innit indeed. You've just shown how legislating against Sharia would be unconstitutional.

Good show, old boy.

You've finally converted to liberalism, eh?

Which means that sharia cannot be constitutionally established in Australia.

So no Islamic jurisdiction - sharia is incompatible with secular liberal democracy.

Oh, old boy, it seems I’m going to have to speak Lutheran.

Of course Sharia can’t be constitutionally established in Australia.

I can’t even see how it can be constitutionally established in most majority Muslim liberal democracies.

Happy now?

The inverse also applies. People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.

Unhappy now?

We aim to please, dear boy.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #663 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:41pm If you aim to please then leave us alone in our own country. You should be happier in the home town.
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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #664 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:46pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Why exclude the hudud?? Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?

You somehow, once again, inexplicably, on purpose you have avoided addressing THE pertinent point even as it pushes itself, like a dirty big schwanz, in your face, PB. And you are not one to miss dirty big swinging schwanzes within a 10 mile radius.

I highlighted it for you in case you at a loss again.

About two to three jurisdictions in the world have legislated Hudud, old boy. I’d hardly call Saudi Arabia a liberal democracy, despite the best intentions of Uncle and Mother (to keep it that way).

You are, of course, free to practice Hudud in your own bedroom. Anyone for schwanz?

Miam miam.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #665 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:54pm Islam Exposed (Origin of Islam)
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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #666 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:01am Quran didn't come from Allah - Islamic Truth
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 151353 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #667 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:18am ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:35pm: Actually soren was spot on about you. Soren is a retarded, frightened, homophobic bigot and Islamophobe. He has never been right about anything ... ever. No surprise that you've crawled up his arse, though.
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Reply #668 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:48am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:18am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Actually soren was spot on about you.

Soren is a retarded, frightened, homophobic bigot and Islamophobe.

He has never been right about anything ... ever.

No surprise that you've crawled up his arse, though.

I take it you have sour grapes over soren making an utter fool of you in the past mr peccarypantsdown.

Soren is clearly not scared of confronting muslims so that negates him of being an islamophobe. He may detest little poofters however. I can understand why that get up your colon I guess.

Not that theres anything wrong with that

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Reply #669 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:00am

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:18am:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Actually soren was spot on about you.

Soren is a retarded, frightened, homophobic bigot and Islamophobe.

He has never been right about anything ... ever.

No surprise that you've crawled up his arse, though.

I take it you have sour grapes over soren making an utter fool of you in the past mr peccarypantsdown.

Soren is clearly not scared of confronting muslims so that negates him of being an islamophobe. He may detest little poofters however. I can understand why that get up your colon I guess.

Not that theres anything wrong with that

Yes.

Sore End is an Islamophobe and a homophobe.

That's never been a secret.

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ordinaryguy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 625 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #670 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:12am And that upsets you because ?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #671 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:08am Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:38pm: People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs. Which is not sharia law - it's religious counsel. And you cannot exempt huddud from sharia law because that's what it's all about - god's law, not social custom that you pick and choose.
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Reply #672 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:21am

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:08am:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.

Which is not sharia law - it's religious counsel.

And you cannot exempt huddud from sharia law because that's what it's all about - god's law, not social custom that you pick and choose.

Sharia law includes both criminal and civil/family law. The Sharia law practiced in Australia is civil and family law. You know this - we've had this discussion many times.

It's all legal and it fits perfectly within the values of liberal democracy.

Sharia law is human law. To pretend anything else, for a Muslim, is blasphemy. Given your old boy mindset, you naturally assume things like constitutions and laws and yes, Sharia law, are lists of commands writ in stone. With the exception of some criminal laws (such as mandatory minimum sentences), they're not. They're guidelines. Sharia law is a collection of principles. Like our own legal system, it changes according to circumstances. Even the barbaric Hudud punishments are not applied universally in the countries that practice this. Saudi Arabia and Iran practice very different versions.

I'm curious: if you can't exclude Hudud from Sharia, why is Hudud confined to a tiny fraction of the world's Muslim population?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #673 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 8:08am:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

People are free to seek religious council for their contractual affairs.

Which is not sharia law - it's religious counsel.

And you cannot exempt huddud from sharia law because that's what it's all about - god's law, not social custom that you pick and choose.

Sharia law includes both criminal and civil/family law. The Sharia law practiced in Australia is civil and family law. You know this - we've had this discussion many times.

It's all legal and it fits perfectly within the values of liberal democracy.

Sharia law is human law. To pretend anything else, for a Muslim, is blasphemy. Given your old boy mindset, you naturally assume things like constitutions and laws and yes, Sharia law, are lists of commands writ in stone. With the exception of some criminal laws (such as mandatory minimum sentences), they're not. They're guidelines. Sharia law is a collection of principles. Like our own legal system, it changes according to circumstances. Even the barbaric Hudud punishments are not applied universally in the countries that practice this. Saudi Arabia and Iran practice very different versions.

I'm curious: if you can't exclude Hudud from Sharia, why is Hudud confined to a tiny fraction of the world's Muslim population?

Hudud is the heart of sharia.

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Big Donger Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101705	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #674 - Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:17pm And "one nation under God" is the heart of liberal democracy, Amerikan style. Better whack your points in large font from here on in, old boy. You’re running out of swanz.
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