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Reply #646 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:49am

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:07am:

Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?

Not at all, PB.

The subject is the reconciliation of two opposing outlooks, Islamic sharia and secular liberalism. Not just the one, not just the other but the two together. That is the subject.

And you can try as hard as you like, you cannot reconcile a thing that is about the supremacy of Islamic religious law and the other which is about the absence of any religious law.

Liberalism doesn't mean submission to Islamic religious law, which is what sharia is.

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Reply #647 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:02am

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:07am:

Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?

Not at all, PB.

The subject is the reconciliation of two opposing outlooks, Islamic sharia and secular liberalism. Not just the one, not just the other but the two together. That is the subject..

Right. So why are you so silent on the fact that Indonesia (the biggest Muslim country) is a secular republic and Uncle is a nation "under God"? Why are you so quiet on Mother England (and Australia) having a state religion with its monarch as its head?

Let me guess: these countries are peaceful. Uncle and Mother and Australia don't bomb and kill and invade others. They keep to themselves. Indonesia wants to take over the world.

That's it, isn't it, old chap?

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Reply #648 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:36am

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:49am:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:07am:

Oh, I’d say it’s anything that gets you off the subject of liberalism, wouldn’t you?

Not at all, PB.

The subject is the reconciliation of two opposing outlooks, Islamic sharia and secular liberalism. Not just the one, not just the other but the two together. That is the subject..

Right. So why are you so silent on the fact that Indonesia (the biggest Muslim country) is a secular republic and Uncle is a nation "under God"? Why are you so quiet on Mother England (and Australia) having a state religion with its monarch as its head?

Let me guess: these countries are peaceful. Uncle and Mother and Australia don't bomb and kill and invade others. They keep to themselves. Indonesia wants to take over the world.

That's it, isn't it, old chap?

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.
But you have not shown that sharia and secular liberal democracy are compatible or reconcilable.

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Reply #649 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:17pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.

No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

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Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

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Reply #650 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.

No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

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Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud?? Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?

In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

Separation of state and Church, innit.

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Reply #651 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.

No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

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Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud?? Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?

In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

Separation of state and Church, innit.

Innit indeed. You've just shown how legislating against Sharia would be unconstitutional.

Good show, old boy.

You've finally converted to liberalism, eh?

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Reply #652 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

Backward Sharia Law will never come to this country except in the little grubby muslim enclaves where we allow them to breed.

If they want it mainstream they will be slapped down by good ole aussies back to the shithole dumps from whence they came. Too Easy. Sharia Law is a joke only a mentally derange fool would entertain such comedy as being serious.

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Reply #653 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 8:36pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

You have shown that Christianity and secular liberalism are compatible and are reconciled.

No, old chap, that goes against your definition:

Quote:

Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Excluding the Hudud, Sharia law is no more than a form of dispute resolution. In Australia, it's a voluntary agreement between two parties. Both are free to take their dispute to the civil or family courts if they don't like the ruling.

And this is the very essence of secular liberalism.

Why exclude the hudud?? Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?

In secular liberal democracies there is no such exclusion.

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 116

Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

Separation of state and Church, innit.

Innit indeed. You've just shown how legislating against Sharia would be unconstitutional.

Good show, old boy.

You've finally converted to liberalism, eh?

Which means that sharia cannot be constitutionally established in Australia.

So no Islamic jurisdiction - sharia is incompatible with secular liberal democracy.

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Reply #655 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Why exclude the hudud?? Why excluded precisely the religious aspect of sharia?

You somehow, once again, inexplicably, on purpose you have avoided addressing THE pertinent point even as it pushes itself, like a dirty big schwanz, in your face, PB. And you are not one to miss dirty big swinging schwanzes within a 10 mile radius.

I highlighted it for you in case you at a loss again.

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Reply #656 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:49pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us? Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.

But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us. I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language. The honour is all yours, mate. You knew it, was it because you do it? Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #657 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us? Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.

But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us. I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language. The honour is all yours, mate. You knew it, was it because you do it? Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are. You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal. You fap, I call you a fapper. Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.

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Reply #658 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:09pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us? Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.

But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us. I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language. The honour is all yours, mate. You knew it, was it because you do it? Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are. You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal. You fap, I call you a fapper. Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.

What? Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia? Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon? Good. I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia. Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #659 - Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Now, now, Soren, who introduced the verb "fapping" to us? Roll Eyes

No need for false modesty, Brain. I may have named your practice but the practice is all your own.

But you knew the name, Soren, you introduced it to us. I have not used a word that is not in common usage in the English language. The honour is all yours, mate. You knew it, was it because you do it? Roll Eyes

I called you the Rousseau of Ozpolitic because I saw what a compulsive fapper you are. You are doing the self-abuse, I just name it, pal. You fap, I call you a fapper. Wouldn't call you a fapper if you didn't fap. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fap

Stop it.

What? Standing up to your hatred and Islamophobia? Does it annoy so that you resort to introducing new words to the lexicon? Good. I enjoy watching you squirm, Soren, as you try and avoid every counterargument to your Islamophobia. Roll Eyes

You are kidding yourself, fapper.

You are standing up to nothing. All you are doing is preening in public, pretending to be oh-so morally upright and conscientious.

You are a fraud, an idiot, a poseur. And a fapper.

You have never presented a coherent argument in your life. All you EVER do is label others as racists, Islamophobes. All you ever do is throw labels around like a mad woman throwing around her underwear. Stupid, tired, shopworn namecalling is all you have, Brain.

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