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Reply #600 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:49pm

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:

We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?

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...................Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion...

yes, that's my understanding.
you cannot remove sharia law from islam.
it's part of that cult.

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Reply #601 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:57pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

[quote]Sydney Muslim suing for defamation - it's not extremist to call for beheading, Muslim law requires it, says he's a normal, not extreme Muslim

Love this bit:

Spicer: "So do you believe the person who made this video should be beheaded?"
Cheikho: "Yeah."
Mr Blackburn said: "Mr Cheikho, a few moments ago you said, under affirmation, that you did not agree that anyone who insults Islam should be beheaded."

Mr Cheiko said the ABC had "taken it out of context".

Cheesy

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Reply #602 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:02pm

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:

We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?

Not at all, old chap. I think you’ll find liberalism is about the freedom to practice one’s own religion. Two parties are free to chose their own form of mediation, religious or otherwise. This is the very essence of liberalism.

Is this too taxing for you?

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Reply #603 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:

We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?

Not at all, old chap. I think you’ll find liberalism is about the freedom to practice one’s own religion. Two parties are free to chose their own form of mediation, religious or otherwise. This is the very essence of liberalism.

Is this too taxing for you?

We are talking about reconciling two - coun them, 2, TWO, contradictory things, PB. I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.

What about the

other thing in the balance

, my afflicted one (see? if it's not in a different font you simply forget it with 8 seconds)? Your dementia is worse than I thought.

What about sharia? What freedom is that about? How is sharia reconciled with secularism, with the choice of no religion? The Jews and the Christians may get a merciful second-class staus but what does sharia say about the polytheists and atheists?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #604 - Sep 24^th, 2015 at 10:45pm

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2015 at 11:41pm:

We’re glad you stated it with feeling, old boy. We were starting to doubt you for a minute there.

The bold text proves it, no?

Are the definitions incorrect?

Focus, PB. I know you resent it that pertinent points need to be emphasised for you - but address the point, not the font, if you are able.

You are not disputing the definitions, are you, PB; Sharia does mean Islamic religious law and secular does mean unconnected to any religion. You do see, don't you, that you cannot be both religious and unconnected to any religion.

Or is this too taxing for you?

Not at all, old chap. I think you’ll find liberalism is about the freedom to practice one’s own religion. Two parties are free to chose their own form of mediation, religious or otherwise. This is the very essence of liberalism.

Is this too taxing for you?

We are talking about reconciling two - coun them, 2, TWO, contradictory things, PB. I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.

What about the

other thing in the balance

, my afflicted one (see? if it's not in a different font you simply forget it with 8 seconds)? Your dementia is worse than I thought.

What about sharia? What freedom is that about? How is sharia reconciled with secularism, with the choice of no religion? The Jews and the Christians may get a merciful second-class staus but what does sharia say about the polytheists and atheists?

That is Sharia, old chap. Join up.through your local imam.

We’ve discussed all this. You haven’t forgotten.

You’re just having a jolly old hoot.

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Reply #605 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 12:46am

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

[quote]Sydney Muslim suing for defamation - it's not extremist to call for beheading, Muslim law requires it, says he's a normal, not extreme Muslim

Love this bit:

Spicer: "So do you believe the person who made this video should be beheaded?"
Cheikho: "Yeah."
Mr Blackburn said: "Mr Cheikho, a few moments ago you said, under affirmation, that you did not agree that anyone who insults Islam should be beheaded."

Mr Cheiko said the ABC had "taken it out of context".

Cheesy

Yeah, ....its lovely, isn't it. Tongue

Yadda paraphrases typical moslem 'kill the infidel' comments, which often will 'inadvertently' [ Wink

] issue forth from moslem lips.

"When i'm being a strident, angry, and righteous moslem; What i said means; 'MURDER THE FILTHY, STINKING KUFFAR, WHO DARES TO REJECT ISLAM's SANCTITY' !!!!

But when my angry, and righteous moslem views, [to your infidel hearing] may expose my unlawful intent; Then what i said, means what i'm telling you now; That you [and your camera] have totally misrepresented/misinterpreted the intent of my words. Coz, ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!!!!!"

e.g.

Even when they are caught 'red handed', moslems never admit to wrongdoing.

Even when they are caught 'red handed', moslems ALWAYS claim they are an innocent party who is being 'falsely' maligned.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE; OUR VERY OWN CATMEAT SHIEK ---------- >

"There is a trick in this film/camera!"

WATCH THE EVIDENCE OF THIS

SHAMELESS

, LYING MOSLEM....

Re Sheik Hilali,

PLEASE WATCH THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO.....

Sheik Hilaly Caught vandalizing his own Mosque

goto 5m 55s,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9O5KPI4qTI

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ANOTHER 'INNOCENT' moslem that comes readily to mind ----- >

The 'INNOCENT' moslem woman who nearly had some of her clothing ripped off her, by a NSW policeman, in a 'RACIST' attack!!!!!!

Google;
carnita matthews

Google;
Carnita Matthews false complaint against racist Sydney policeman

Google;
Fake Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes and Other Lies

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Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

SEE ALSO

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Please watch this YT...

David Wood on the 3 stages of Jihad

24 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjdO4cfeEg

As an informative and revelatory YouTube on ISLAM,

Yadda gives this David Wood YouTube 5/5 stars.

If you are a person who loves truth, please watch that David Wood YouTube.

If you believe that knowledge of what is true, should be important in directing YOUR choices, in your life, please watch that David Wood YouTube.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101714	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #606 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 11:12am Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:25pm: I am not asking you to bang on about liberty. Oh, I know. It's only the foundational principle in liberal democracies, no? We can always change it, dear boy - just for you. Let's go back to the caliphate.
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Reply #607 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.

Oh, I know. It's only the foundational principle in liberal democracies, no?

Indeed. Not the foundational or any other principle of sharia, though. The foundational principle of sharia is illiberalism. Yet Brain and Gandy and you and a load of other silly bVggers try to pretend that liberalism and illiberalism are reconciled and are not opposed - as long as the illiberalism is Muslim illiberalism.

You would have no difficulty to decry, say, white supremacist illiberalism. But Muslim illiberalism is as good as liberalism to you. Or so you pretend, in complete bad faith.

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Reply #608 - Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

I am not asking you to bang on about liberty.

Oh, I know. It's only the foundational principle in liberal democracies, no?

Indeed. Not the foundational or any other principle of sharia, though. The foundational principle of sharia is illiberalism. Yet Brain and Gandy and you and a load of other silly bVggers try to pretend that liberalism and illiberalism are reconciled and are not opposed - as long as the illiberalism is Muslim illiberalism.

You would have no difficulty to decry, say, white supremacist illiberalism. But Muslim illiberalism is as good as liberalism to you. Or so you pretend, in complete bad faith.

Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.

Decry white supremacist illiberalism? Moi? Never. That would be most rude.

As we all know, no one has the right to not be offended.

Except the old boy.

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Reply #609 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:38am

Big Donger wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.

Soren can't complain too much about illiberalism, because he would have to confront his own side's very concerted campaign against the freedom to practice Islam. People are on here day after day calling on banning Islam, banning mosques and deporting muslims. But the resident liberal warriors - Soren and FD - are silent. Neither can bring themselves to actually support liberalism when it concerns muslim rights. As FD very succinctly said recently, true freedom is about "taking a side".

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #610 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:09am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.

Soren can't complain too much about illiberalism, because he would have to confront his own side's very concerted campaign against the freedom to practice Islam. People are on here day after day calling on banning Islam, banning mosques and deporting muslims. But the resident liberal warriors - Soren and FD - are silent. Neither can bring themselves to actually support liberalism when it concerns muslim rights. As FD very succinctly said recently, true freedom is about "taking a side".

I am not complaining, Gandy. I am saying that sharia and secular liberal democracy are irreconcilable because by definition they mean opposite things.

The objections to Islam are not based on its religious aspects but on its political expansionism. You can go and live a quiet spiritual, religious life and commune with Allah all you like. But Islam is making far too large political claims for itself which are invariable contrary to secular liberalism.

When people can walk down the street or talk to you and can't tell whether you are a Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist or atheist then there will be no particular objection to Muslim,s because they will have demonstrated that they are indeed just like anyone else and they, too, wear their religion lightly and treat it as a private thing.

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Reply #611 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 1:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Good work, old boy. The old incompatible-with-liberalism trick didn’t work, so you’ve created a new school of thought: Muslim illiberalism.

Soren can't complain too much about illiberalism, because he would have to confront his own side's very concerted campaign against the freedom to practice Islam. People are on here day after day calling on banning Islam, banning mosques and deporting muslims. But the resident liberal warriors - Soren and FD - are silent. Neither can bring themselves to actually support liberalism when it concerns muslim rights. As FD very succinctly said recently, true freedom is about "taking a side".

The old boy is far from a liberal, G, he’s an old boy. He stumbles upon liberal democracy because it’s the defacto Western political model, but he is totally opposed to it. Every old boy instinct shrieks at the idea of liberalism. The old boy actually has no idea what it is - completely ignorant of the fact that it means to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t bother anyone else.

You know, wear pyjamas, grow a beard, have a council of imams mediate in your disputes. The old boy is perpetually torn between his tribe’s political model of liberal democracy and his need for uniformity.

You could say it’s a protestant trait that harks back to whitewashing Catholic frescoes and beheading those who wear frills.

Go back further, of course, and you’ll find the Mohammedan doing the same in Byzantium.

It’s an old racket, which is why the old boy is known as the old boy and not a liberal.Read his post above and you’ll see, yet again, that it all comes down to the beards.

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Reply #613 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren? Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought? Roll Eyes

I’m not sure, Brain, but we do know one thing.

The old boy will use really big writing to try not to explain it.

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Reply #614 - Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:30pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

I wonder if you consider yourself a liberal (with a small "l"), Soren? Do you see your Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/any-other-phobia as compatible with the ideals of modern, Secular, Liberal Democratic thought? Roll Eyes

I’m not sure, Brain, but we do know one thing.

The old boy will use really big writing to try not to explain it.

Perhaps but I will give him the benefit of the doubt, in that regard, mate. Afterall, he can occasionally rise to the challenge if we allow him to... Cool

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